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Offline Karlos

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Re: Quake II Update released
« Reply #29 from previous page: May 22, 2010, 11:47:25 AM »
This is the police!

Put your handbags, raise your hands down and step back slowly.


Seriously, calm down folks. This thread is just getting silly now.
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Re: Quake II Update released
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2010, 02:18:45 PM »
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No, but you do need to be civil. See, I was civil in my first post. You "zealots" (since you seem to not like being called that) accused me of being negative, when there was nothing negative in my first post, at all.

My first post in that thread wasn't negative at all. That's not my fault if you decided to confuse me with someone else.

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Once again, we're back to sharing between the camps, something none of you seem willing to do. If MorphOS has a more "mature" (I'm not a coder, so once again, this is all speculation) OpenGL than OS4, why didn't your camp offer it up, to help merge the alternative Amiga Operating Systems together? Oh, 'cos you're in the Blue camp and they're the Red camp. It's impossible for you to work with one another.....

I don't really see why MorphOS team should give away its technology to a company that would use it to make money (the opposite applies too, of course). As for AROS, they already decided to go the MESA+Gallium3d way (with all its advantages and inconvenients), but there were exchanges between AROS and MorphOS (MorphOS used the initial work on intuition, dos and some C commands, and in return gave the fixes that were found during porting).
But I guess in your utopic world, IT companies just always share their technologies for the common good, riiight. :)

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This is a joke, right? Are you really *THAT* much of an elitist?? Yes, "motivated developers" can always adapt (or recompile) your sources and even get some help with that (sic), but if there's no one motivated for that, it means the platforms are dead or too proud to use evil, "alien" code, when in reality it really means that in your eyes, every Amiga Alternative is a "dead platform" *EXCEPT* for MorphOS. That simply is *NOT* the case and no matter how much you want to take the "blue pill", you can't deny it, as there is software development for every Amiga OS out there, but few, if any, are ever done to support them all.

But that's still the most sensible approach. I don't have any particular interest in OS4 or AROS, but i don't mind at all helping them for some ports. So I offered help for my MPlayer and MAME ports on AROS: Deadwood did the MPlayer port, and Masta1 the MAME port and it was just fine that way. It's much better when you have actually someone motivated for the platform doing the port, else you often just get half-assed port, without great support, like we can see with (commercial) projects like Pixel32 for MorphOS.


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I'm even going to push it a stretch further. Did you ever stop and think that maybe if you simply asked and said, "Hey, I coded the flash plugin for MorphOS, it's better than anything we have right now, so since there's a need for it on OS4, would anyone be willing to loan me an OS4 machine to port the plugin to OS4"? I bet you would be surprised at the answer.

But I have no interest in doing it. But if someone is, i can help him. Isn't that good enough? Besides, I don't ask for any donation money for my work (unlike many others), so i really don't accept such remarks.


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Who said I'm upset? I merely made a comment based on my opinion and the only thing following it, sans JJ's comments whom I agreed with, were wholly negative. You're a MorphOS developer and this was a news article on an OS4 port, so why do you care? In addition, why are you so upset with my rebuttals? Seems to go both ways, doesn't it, Sir? ;)

Your knee-jerk reaction to my first neutral comment certainly indicates you're upset. Don't blame me if i now react to your reaction. :)

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Finally, I never called you an Atheist. I made a reference to a former user on here *NAMED* Atheist. Fab, you joined *WAY* late to have had the pleasure of meeting him, but he was a zealot in the extreme. He was a negative influence on the Amiga Community and Amiga.org, having long since been banned from here.

I perfectly know who Atheist is, you probably just didn't get the funny part of the sentence.

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I want Aros and OS4 to have Ambient, which is such a gorgeous piece of kit. Seriously, I commend you guys on that. Every screenshot or video of MorphOS just makes me drool and feel bad on how drab OS4 and Aros look in comparison.

I don't think it would be that good that all the flavors share the same desktop. That's part of their identity.

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I want MorphOS, Aros and OS4 to use the same API (or at least be compatible in some way), so porting games to the Amiga flavors becomes a bit easier for all and *EVERYONE* gets to enjoy them.

But they have a large common API, the 3.x one, plus OpenGL, SDL, libc stuff and so on. The API are diverging for the extensions, but most of the time, they're hardly needed for game ports, anyway (or require little work to adapt).
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Re: Quake II Update released
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2010, 06:30:18 PM »
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I'm going to quote you verbatim in toto on this, but:

"Waaaa! Somebody updated a game I don't like, how *dare* they! They should only be allowed to port things I like!"

How is that not construed as "negative"?

Again, that was sarcasm. The point of my post was this: My opinion is that development for OS4 is good. Complaining about these developments is bad.
In this case, Q2 is still enjoyed by people today. It certainly doesn't hurt to have it ported to OS4, regardless of whether it's available on cellphones already. It's not exactly a killer app, but that's not to say the author won't do anything else with his skills.

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You, yourself, stated that you don't have time to code for the Amiga, so  why would you make such a comment as you did?
Because I don't like seeing people who worked hard for something getting whined at.

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I don't have a lot of  free time, but when I can, I *MAKE* the time to work on BTBuilder, as  it's something I enjoy. Isn't that why coders do development?
Yes. I used to enjoy coding. I can't MAKE time, you may be able to but I can't unfortunately.
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