Hey - MISSIAH and OSS

[TheGoose]

There is a big difference when using with MSSIAH.  (And when playing back SIDs!  When they're composed specifically for one or the other.)  

The Bassline, Monosynth, and Drum portions of MSSIAH are said to be designed for use with the 8580.

I have used MSSIAH on both versions of SID and can say that the authors are right when they state in the manual that there is a big difference in sound, when an instrument or module is designed for one specific chip.  The filters on the 8580 let some sound through that the filters on the 6581 would just totally cut off, IIRC.

It really depends what you're after... the original 6581 is more what we remember from video games, and the 8580 has greater refinement for sound synthesis.

I have started messing around with the MSSIAH's Sequencer and can say that it really is truly exceptional, and that people just using MSSIAH as a soundbank are missing out.  If you want to use MSSIAH with Octamed, definitely just take MIDI Out from Octamed to the MIDI In (there's only one!) on the MSSIAH.  Have Octamed send MIDI Clock, and then turn MIDI Clock *on* in MSSIAH sequencer.  Then whenever you "start" Octamed, MSSIAH should start along with it, and play back in sync.  You can loop any portion of your MSSIAH sequence, edit it as it's playing back, and mute/unmute tracks, all live.  This would be a great setup for using sampled sounds via OctaMED and synthesized sounds via MSSIAH.  I'm not an OctaMED or OSS user though so YMMV.  I have slaved MSSIAH to my drum machine, and also to an Amiga running Bars & Pipes.  It's very reliable.

Definitely get a C=1351 mouse as someone else said, or be like me and find a Micromys.  MSSIAH supports the scroll wheel on PS/2 mice connected via Micromys.

- t

Interesting, so my thought now is to build my sid2sid board with one of each, so I can have max flavor, so to speak. Does that pose any issue? I can't wait to get my crap. Still hunting wild C64s on ebay...

[Vegas]

I have started messing around with the MSSIAH's Sequencer and can say that it really is truly exceptional, and that people just using MSSIAH as a soundbank are missing out. - t

Of course! When i got my Mmsiah, i had no possibility to save any data, since i just found the c64 in the dumpster. So i started creating sounds and sampled them to be used in other ways, OSS for example. Even though i have a datasette now, i somehow got stuck to this method. There are nice aspects in both ways. But you are right, i really have to dig into Sequencing on the c64 itself.

Also thanks for the info about sids :idea:

[trilobyte]

Interesting, so my thought now is to build my sid2sid board with one of each, so I can have max flavor, so to speak. Does that pose any issue? I can't wait to get my crap. Still hunting wild C64s on ebay...

Yeah, the manual says you can't do it.  You have to use 2 x whichever SID came with the machine you plan to use.

[trilobyte]

Also thanks for the info about sids :idea:

Sure!  Sounds like the O.P. already knows a lot, and has two audio-in plugs on the Commodore, so I was telling the O.P. some things he already knew... but good thing somebody else finds it interesting and useful

[XDelusion]

Trilobyte - Yes I have two Audio Inputs on my C64, one assigned to each SID, and I meant instrument, not sample. I can't imagine using samples with only 64k or RAM!

Karlos - That worked, also I sent you a PM about previous help you sent to me.

Vegas - I was going to keep my stock C64 and add a second SID chip. The one I was going to sell, was the one I had custom built. Sadly the guy who did the MOD kind of vanished on me so I have this great and expensive gear with little knowledge on how to take advantage of it's extra tweaks. Most of those knobs don't seem to do anything, like the MSSIAH knobs.

I never had a clue what they do exactly or how to make use of them. Does MSSIAH have something built in that caters to that?

[Vegas]

I can't imagine using samples with only 64k or RAM!

Mmsiah Wave Player ?!