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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #59 from previous page: May 10, 2010, 06:17:47 PM »
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The Amiga was about doing more with cutting edge hardware and software.  The new AmigaOS/AmigaOne is not cutting edge in either.  The X1000 is an elitist hobbyist machine.  It's about bragging rights in an ever shrinking community.


I'd say that is a perfect summary.
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2010, 10:23:33 PM »
Interesting interview

I was a little shocked at the price though, i know i shouldnt be as everything in Amiga-land is priced quite high.  My 2+ year old quad core  PC cost less than this by quite a margin all in.

I hope you guys do well with it, good to see some new hardware and all that dedication.
The price rules me out though.  X500 maybe? :)

Fantastic amount of Commodore hardware you got Trevor. You should open a Museum, I'd pay for admission,  but don't go charging to much ;)
 

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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2010, 10:57:00 PM »
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You should open a Museum, I'd pay for admission,  but don't go charging to much ;)


No problem.  Admission free to all Amigans, whatever flavour! ;-)
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2010, 12:00:22 AM »
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The Amiga was about doing more with cutting edge hardware and software. The new AmigaOS/AmigaOne is not cutting edge in either. The X1000 is an elitist hobbyist machine. It's about bragging rights in an ever shrinking community.
I'd say that is a perfect summary.


Change "elitist" to "religious" and I'll agree with you both 100%, instead of just 99.9% . The Amiga is a religion anymore, with acolytes, heretics and a few agnostics here and there; the pragmatists all fled a long time ago...
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2010, 12:03:32 AM »
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Change "elitist" to "religious" and I'll agree with you both 100%, instead of just 99.9% . The Amiga is a religion anymore, with acolytes, heretics and a few agnostics here and there; the pragmatists all fled a long time ago...


I don't quite know where I fit into that. I have a fairly modern PC (2 years old, nearly, but a decent enough spec), I use other OSes, but I still retain several classics, an A1 and I was hoping to get a PPC mac for MOS2 and contemplating this X1000 machine too.

Alas, the old job security took a kick lately and such plans are now on hold for the moment.
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2010, 12:19:11 AM »
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When the X1000 takes off we will increase the AmigaOne userbase by 1000-2000 !


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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2010, 12:31:27 AM »
Life begins at 100 MIPS!


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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2010, 01:28:55 AM »
Never really liked the boing ball that case is gonna be dead ugly. Good interview though. I hope the motherboard will be available separately at some point...
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2010, 05:26:14 AM »
I'm still astonished that there exist people prepared to gamble good money on making custom hardware, to write an OS from scratch and to write drivers for that OS from scratch.

Personally, without knowing the numbers, I can't see how a business case can be put forward for this venture to be successful.

IMO its too expensive, but I always think that when I see ancient amiga 68k hardware sell for the prices that it does.
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2010, 09:12:09 AM »
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Interesting things these price comparisons. Especially since the HW prices don't stay static.
What kind of Amiga was more expensive really (lets talk about actual value of the money and relative HW prices of similar spec systems from the period)?


My bare A500 was cheaper (4900FMK/~800€) but it was a low end machine.
My SAM (system) was cheaper (800€-1000€) but also it is a low end HW. (y1998 x86 performance? bought ten years later)
A2000 had 9000FMK/~1500€ price tag, less MIPS than on similarly priced PC systems of 1989, but ofcourse it then was not "behind" the mainstream at all (I got ~50% discount when mine was imported by my friend, not PCIDATA, IIRC list prices of my systems components was well above 20000FMK (1MCHIP,2MFAST,68000,20MB HDD,PC-XT-emu,NecMultisync)
A4000/040/6M cost 14500FMK/~2400€ without HDD (and in 1994 it already was behind high end PCs in many "numbers", year before it's list price was 17000FIM, IIRC)
In 1996/1997 I upgraded to 060/50 and it cost ~1200€ and it was years behind high end pentiums in pure numbers (and being only a CPU card)
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x1000 is a mix of 2005...2007 CPU performance (more than enough for all our available SW, more than I imagine I ever need (stupid me?)) + almost the most modern GPGPU bus, so (IMO) better price/performance than on SAM & others AOS systems.
And ofcourse I value AmigaSW a lot, while the mainstream laughs at it.
And and the geekport! ;-)

Outside the red "AOS" world:
(to me x1000 is like a 2995€ G5 HW that was sold as new 5 years ago, now the same Mac can be bought for about 500-600€ ? But it is old & used & has some older technologies, slower buses, more noice, etc.)
((My MOS HW cost 220€+the MOS. No sane people that already have moved to MOS is going to buy x1000, but I nowdays am a little bit multicoloured and in the between of the official OS and the other(s)))

Hopefully there will be low end models with the same SoC ASAP!
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #69 on: May 11, 2010, 12:45:03 PM »
@ Trevor

You said you can't say what the CPU is because of a NDA.  Could you tell us which of the commonly suggested CPUs it's not?  Eliminating some of the debated CPUs would save some folks time from arguing. :)
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2010, 03:10:35 PM »
Originally Posted by Piru  
"Interesting things these price comparisons. Especially since the HW prices don't stay static.
What kind of Amiga was more expensive really (lets talk about actual value of the money and relative HW prices of similar spec systems from the period)?"

Well In Aus a bare A4000 68040 was $4000 Aus, ie $2800 Euro.  (Interestingly an A1200 was $1200.)
 

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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2010, 03:16:07 PM »
Classic A4000s are selling for 500 pounds on ebay.
1500 pounds for a high performance complete system with OS sounds okay to me.
I'm not sure what people expect for such a specialised market.  If they can't make a profit they cant make anymore or anything else.
I hope seeing Trevor's NZ connection there is a distributor way over here.  Hope but doubt.

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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #72 on: May 11, 2010, 04:42:37 PM »
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Classic A4000s are selling for 500 pounds on ebay.
1500 pounds for a high performance complete system with OS sounds okay to me.
I'm not sure what people expect for such a specialised market.  gertsy


That's the thing, people want current mainstream hardware, not niche hardware.  Special hardware was back during our custom chip days. Those days are long gone, there is no reason to be paying high prices for under performing hardware because of a badge.  The idea of building market share on high priced hardware with nothing but old memories as it's appeal is not a business plan I would want to follow.  Especially when the world economy is entering into a lost decade.

If the A1X1K was a tablet running OS4 with a bunch of pre-installed classic games for ~$500USD, that would a possible winner.  That could build a nice market share because it's modern and wouldn't cost that much so you can have many end users.  Many end users inspire indie game publishers to come sell their wares which brings more users.  That creates a ecosystem that can not only survive but grow with out having millions of units sold.
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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2010, 08:17:54 PM »
But it isn't a classic Amiga, it runs classic software through UAE, the same way a Mac or PC does.  Only it is far more costly than either of those....


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Classic A4000s are selling for 500 pounds on ebay.
1500 pounds for a high performance complete system with OS sounds okay to me.
I'm not sure what people expect for such a specialised market.  If they can't make a profit they cant make anymore or anything else.
I hope seeing Trevor's NZ connection there is a distributor way over here.  Hope but doubt.

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Re: Interview with Trevor Dickinson
« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2010, 08:49:17 PM »
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But it isn't a classic Amiga, it runs classic software through UAE, the same way a Mac or PC does.  Only it is far more costly than either of those....


Only the last part of your observation is correct. The first part is not. Neither OS4 or MOS run classic software in the same way a "Mac or PC" running UAE does. In both OS4 and MOS, system-friendly 68k apps run translated within the host operating system, wherein OS calls are ultimately routed to native code. Furthermore whilst UAE exists for both platforms to run software that does require classic hardware emulation, even that has been integrated rather more seamlessly of late. With software like RunInUAE you can just run such a legacy app from the workbench and have it pretty much transparently open in UAE.
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