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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #44 from previous page: September 20, 2012, 01:00:28 PM »
The curse of sample-based trackers - you assume that samples must sound better, because they are actual recordings of real instruments, but you can still get bad samples.  The worst thing is when they're out of tune!  You could only get an out of tune synth by doing it on purpose.  And then having to squeeze those samples down so your mod will fit in 512k of Chip Ram alongside all of the rest of the game, so you reduce the sample rate and get horrible aliasing, and/or you shorten them too much and loop them badly so they go "dingdingdingding" or "pop pop pop".

The irony that so many good mods made liberal use of 64-byte waveforms, vibrato effects and arpeggios...

However, now there's dubstep...
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2012, 02:20:43 PM »
I had an Atari 800XL and used to program it in BASIC.  I taught myself by experimenting with the code of those type-in games that used to come printed in magazines.  My friends all had Spectrums and C64's.
 

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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2012, 04:42:50 PM »
I had an Enterprise 128, which nobody else had ever heard of.  Games were hard to come by, but I played a lot of text adventures, a shame really because it was technically much better than the Spectrum.  It became mine eventually after my dad got his Amiga 500.
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2012, 04:45:51 PM »
Never owned an 8 bit, but a friend of mine had a C64, which we got a lot of fun out of.
It seemed like a massive step up from his Atari 2600.
 

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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2012, 04:54:08 PM »
Oh we also had a Mattel Intellivision.  Maybe it is off topic because technically it was 16 bit!  Well the CPU was anyway.  It was a General Instrument CP1610.  But the graphics and sound had 8-bit souls.
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2012, 04:59:18 PM »
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Oh we also had a Mattel Intellivision.  Maybe it is off topic because technically it was 16 bit!  Well the CPU was anyway.  It was a General Instrument CP1610.  But the graphics and sound had 8-bit souls.


The TI-99/4 and 4A are also driven by a 16-bit CPU (TMS-9900,) but Texas Instruments crippled the system.  Only the 256 bytes of "scratch pad" CPU RAM is 16-bit, the rest of the system is 8-bit with a decoding which inserts wait-states and has a deleterious effect on the performance of a machine with a 3.3MHz CPU.  Coulda been a contender...  thought it's pretty amazing what's been and is being done with this old cripple.
 

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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2012, 09:16:15 PM »
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Sinclair ZX81 - my 8bit days were spent typing in BASIC, hoping each time the power plug wouldn't wobble and lose it all... While dreaming about thinks like Colour Graphics and Sounds!!


My first intro was actually a ZX80, but the first machine we owned was also ZX81, rehoused in some sort of breadbox style keyboard into which the 16K RAM pack also fit.

After that it was the ZX Spectrum, 48K rubber keyed glory!
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2012, 09:27:10 PM »
I was in the first programming class my high school offered. Basic on a mainframe connected via a teletype and acoustic modem. Stone knives and bearskins. ;-) Although technically, that was a 48 bit system.
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2012, 09:39:39 PM »
I loved my c64. I knew about cobol and fortran because my father worked with IBM workstations. I'd heard something about that 10101010 strange language called machine language but i never went deep with it. I had my commodore basic books and i learnt from there about sprites, system calls and so on. I used a lot basic to write math quiz games with sprites resembling geometrical shapes (data, data, data, data, data :D ). I remember i even bought a fake cover keyboard that covered c64 keys resembling a piano keyboard to play with. Today I love heavy metal but i didn't know that those sid music i used to listen (i was about 10 years old) over and over were deep purple tunes!
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2012, 09:41:48 PM »
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The TI-99/4 and 4A are also driven by a 16-bit CPU (TMS-9900,) but Texas Instruments crippled the system.  Only the 256 bytes of "scratch pad" CPU RAM is 16-bit, the rest of the system is 8-bit with a decoding which inserts wait-states and has a deleterious effect on the performance of a machine with a 3.3MHz CPU.  Coulda been a contender...  thought it's pretty amazing what's been and is being done with this old cripple.
Indeed. It's sad, really - the TMS-9900 would've put it so far ahead of any of its contemporaries that it should've done so much better than it did...only the C64 would've stood a chance against a properly-designed TI-99, and that mostly because of the SID and VIC-II...
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2012, 11:09:17 PM »
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Never owned an 8 bit, but a friend of mine had a C64, which we got a lot of fun out of.
It seemed like a massive step up from his Atari 2600.

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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2012, 11:35:19 PM »
My first computer was an Apple IIc.  It came with dual floppies and monochrome black/green monitor.  I got a hold of the Basic manual and dinked around with making programs but the best I did was crash the school's Apple network.  Kicked out for a month... :roflmao:
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2012, 12:55:12 AM »
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My first intro was actually a ZX80, but the first machine we owned was also ZX81, rehoused in some sort of breadbox style keyboard into which the 16K RAM pack also fit.

After that it was the ZX Spectrum, 48K rubber keyed glory!
So you got a ZX81 with a proper keyboard? That still seem like some kind of upper class luxury from where I'm sitting... Oh?!? What and 16k?!? Posh bastered ;) x

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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2012, 01:32:49 AM »
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So you got a ZX81 with a proper keyboard? That still seem like some kind of upper class luxury from where I'm sitting... Oh?!? What and 16k?!? Posh bastered ;) x


Didn't the 16KB RAM pack cost twice as much as the actual computer?
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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2012, 08:39:36 AM »
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Didn't the 16KB RAM pack cost twice as much as the actual computer?
No idea, I was MUCH too poor to afford one then! Though I do have two ZX81s now both with 16k ram packs :)

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Re: Life in 8-bits
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2012, 01:15:11 PM »
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Just one?
 
Still have a Vic-20 and C64 (OK, the C64 is broken at the moment, but it did work when I got it.).
Also have an Apple //e and //c.
And I have a Tandy Model 100 (8K only).
 
I use all (except the C64 obviously) to varying degrees.
Mostly the Vic-20 and //c.
 
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I've also got some HD63C09EP and some WDC65C816 processors sitting around waiting to be used in retro projects.
 
8 bit is still fun to code on.
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