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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #29 from previous page: April 24, 2010, 12:58:50 AM »
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For now I'm feeling that Amiga magic with help of my A1200/030/Indivision stuff. Occasionally A500 startup just for kicks and yea, it's working. Life is good!

In addition, Amiga magic is also very evident when you check some of hardware prices these days, c'mon where's the R-E-P-R-O-D-U-C-T-I-O-N industry for us?!?! If I can buy, let's say brand new Chevelle, Camaro, Mustang body and all the related parts for these machines made some 40 years ago, makes me wonder why there isn't such a thing as PPC/060 repop accelerator for that old trusty A1200???


The reason that there is no PPC/060 Repop is because the SOURCE for the logic (FPGA) is probably long lost now, you could probably export out the bitfile but that does not get you the VHDL source.  Not to mention, the 060 at least is no longer made (is it ?).

I started with a humble A500 from Dixons after seeing Shadow of the Beast demo in store (Yes, the Psygnosis demo disk).  I saved up, and got one.  Then I emigrated from UK to Australia with my Parents, and Qantas misdirected the A500 (in its box), I was waiting for it in Perth, and it flew on to Sydney.  It turned up a few days later.

Now I live in Melbourne, and i have 2x A500 (One of which is the A500 with more frequent flyer miles than me), A1000, A1200, A4000, Minimig.

I got a dual core PC, with a 4870 that has WinBlows 7, and plays Just Cause 2 ("GET IN SCORPION!!!"), so it can safely run Winuae, or my Xbox that can run Winuaex, but I STILL get the urge to hit the Amiga's power button to "ON".
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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2010, 04:30:03 AM »
Definitely a combination of nostalgia and the "wow" factor of seeing the sound and graphics capabilities for the first time... as other have said...

I had a Vic-20, then C64 before I had the Amiga and the jump in capabilities was mind-blowing at the time...

I'm not really interested in the 'modern' so-called Amiga OSes or generic PPC boxes, they're something quite different.

The good old days where the Amiga ruled the roost were the best, and now they're just a fading memory...

Mike.

P.S. This thread would've been a good candidate for a Poll! :-)
 

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2010, 05:49:17 AM »
1. Good harmony between software/OS components and hardware components.
2. Operating system programmed by people who understand old school UNIX in a rather different light, with an epic result.
3. KISS and clean programming philosophy.
4. Rarity of Amiga scene today.
 

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2010, 07:49:35 AM »
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The reason that there is no PPC/060 Repop is because the SOURCE for the logic (FPGA) is probably long lost now, you could probably export out the bitfile but that does not get you the VHDL source. Not to mention, the 060 at least is no longer made (is it ?).

Yep:
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Motorola ceased production of the 68000 in 2000, although derivatives, notably the CPU32 family, continue in production.

But doesn't mean that Motorola and DCE couldn't work together in building a new card with new processors.
DCE acquired Phase 5 and they probably have all the schematics and sources.
 
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P.S. This thread would've been a good candidate for a Poll! :-)

Good idea, I'm sure a mod or admin could add that with some good options.
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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2010, 08:00:00 AM »
68060 are still listed on Freescale's website, they are $326 each.

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MC68060&tab=Buy_Parametric_Tab&fromSearch=false

Although it looks like you have to buy 10,000 of them.

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2010, 07:07:22 PM »
Initially I was going to buy my best friends C64 after having played games at his and numerous other friends' houses. But then my father brought home an issue of Svenska Hemdator Nytt, a computer magazine focusing on 16-bit and 8-bit computers like Amiga, Atari, C64, and alittle bit of PC and Mac.
Despite the screenshots of various apps and games were in black and white and very low quality I couldn't believe the amazing "photo-realistic" quality I was watching. So I requested an A500 from my parents. My friend (whose c64 I was going to buy) got his A500 a few weeks before me.

Anyway, when I got mine I couldn't believe the graphics (We had NES at that time) in games like The Spy Who Loved Me. It felt there were actually people in there :D
And when my friend got his first pirated game ;), a game you played a barbarian of sorts with a sword, jumping down in caves and climbing ropes etc (I'd like to know which game that was) I realized I needed to buy diskettes to copy it myself. And those delicious diskettes, each in one color of the rainbow spectrum, I could almost eat them.

Several months later my friend got some games we both agreed to buy from a pirate via bbs: Turrican, Shadow of The Beast, and another one I do not remember. Sad that someone else got a fraction of the money of which the developers didn't get any...
We got pretty insane watching those games in action as you can imagine.

When I saw pictures of 256 color VGA graphics I couldn't the Amiga started to feel dated. Seing fast vector graphics (4d boxing) on my classmates 286 and the seing Eye of the Beholder 2 on a dude's PC made it clear the Amiga needs to evolve or there won't be a future for it. But we didn't get that until A4000 which was too little, too late, and too expensive. I didn't let that bother me much and bought an A1200 one (or two) month(s) after it hit the stores. I loved it but as game developers abandoned it and then experiencing a shock called (Amigas ultimate) DOOM, it was over. I sold the A1200 and bought myself a 486, installed the adventure games I wanted (including sam and max), had some fun, and sold that too after a few months. I didn't touch computers for many years until my brother gave his older P4 machine 2+ years ago.

I still have my A500, but unfortunately I gave all my bloody diskettes to the bloke to whom I sold my A1200. These days I only visist amiga.org (including a few others) and install a new WinUAE and have a little fun every year or so. And that's about it.

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2010, 10:37:14 PM »
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I still have my A500, but unfortunately I gave all my bloody diskettes to the bloke to whom I sold my A1200.

I can understand giving away original disks like workbench and so on, but to give away your entire collection ?
I'm lucky as hell that I kept everything, comes in handy now :)
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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2010, 11:43:05 PM »
I suppose anything that was as advanced as the Amiga (hardware and OS) will always leave a mark yes and that is part of it. What makes it magic is that I lived those times as they happened. What makes it sad is that I know for a decade, or more, what we were forced to use inferior products (Wintel/MacPPC/Mactel). And all due to the disappearance of Commodore and incompetent useless people involved with the IP in later years.

i guess those three aspects of the package, living it and the fact inferior products won out and still exist today is what makes the Amiga memorable and gives it some kind of magic I guess.
 

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2010, 11:50:32 PM »
My amiga is built using only the finest fairy dust, hence the magic.

Jokes aside, I like the close bond between OS and HW, and it just works.
I know the old amiga crashes, but I usually also know when and why.
 

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2010, 11:53:20 PM »
Amiga itself is just magic. The whole idea how to make computer better for user is some kind of magic.
 

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2010, 12:03:14 AM »
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I can understand giving away original disks like workbench and so on, but to give away your entire collection ?
I'm lucky as hell that I kept everything, comes in handy now :)


Sometimes I don't think into the future, or more precisely I *didn't*. By now most of those disks would probably have huge read/write errors, but just having them them would be sweet. At least I can calm myself that I kept all my mags.
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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2010, 12:05:07 AM »
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My first computer was a Vic20. "Wow! Computers"!

Then came the C64, and that did really rock my world. I still love the C64!

The Amiga was Commodore's logical path forward, and I went that way, and my world was rocked again (but somewhat in a different way). Back then, things were all about hardware, the OS wasn't that mature, and neither were the apps. Plenty of games though! ;)



this mirrors me  :)
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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2010, 01:39:36 AM »
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Sometimes I don't think into the future, or more precisely I *didn't*. By now most of those disks would probably have huge read/write errors, but just having them them would be sweet. At least I can calm myself that I kept all my mags.


You would be amazed at just how many disks I have that are original that still work perfectly. Its only the very later poor quality disks I have trouble with... I have literally thousands of disks... And never thrown one away.

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2010, 02:24:10 AM »
Whatever it is, it's fading fast.

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Re: Whats the magic in amiga?
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2010, 02:29:18 AM »
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You would be amazed at just how many disks I have that are original that still work perfectly. Its only the very later poor quality disks I have trouble with... I have literally thousands of disks... And never thrown one away.

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Speaking of thousands, nice collection of mags you have there, I wouldn't mind having more of them and less of console mags from same era.
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