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Offline persia

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 06:24:27 PM »
What compression does Amiga use on it's CAB files?

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At least compression method for its .CAB files ;)
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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2010, 06:48:13 PM »
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At least compression method for its .CAB files ;)

CAB files can use three kinds of compression. Which of them came from AOS: Deflate, LZX, Quantum?
 

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2010, 06:50:40 PM »
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What I'd like to know is how much MS copied Amiga for Windows 95.


Not really the Amiga alone, but Windows 95 was the first version of Windows where what you see in your folders is mirrored exactly with the organisation of files on your harddisk. Program Manager in Windows 3/2/1 was terrible and pretty screwed up. By doing this Micro$oft had done the bare minimum to keep DOS/Windows corporate users from the huge financial upheaval that would be a corporate change over to anything else. And at that point is where competition effectively ceased to exist (no doubt helped by M$ dirty tactics to lock out any other competing OS or even application).

OS/2 was also a pre-emptive multitasking system, these did exist before Tripos (and hence Kickstart/Workbench) but I think Amiga was the first desktop OS to combine such a feature with a GUI interface. Maybe UNIX but is Unix a desktop operating system in 1985? You could argue it is not. Certainly in 1985 you wouldn't be running Unix on a PC or Mac so I would argue it isn't. Whether IBM saw this as a key feature thanks to Amiga I don't know, however IBM did use Amigas for some specific multimedia tasks within its own house so they knew all too well about the Amiga I would say.

Only Apple or Atari could directly rip-off Kickstart/Workbench though given it is in 68000 assembler, and neither of them even bothered to try to replicate the superb multitasking on Amiga.
 

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2010, 09:43:41 PM »
Does this qualify as a "desktop" to you?

If so, then yes, there were "UNIX desktop" in 1985, and this was also running on 68k btw. Yes, I know the above shot is newer, but I have seen older ones, and they were similar and typically black&white.
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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2010, 10:00:56 PM »
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CAB files can use three kinds of compression. Which of them came from AOS: Deflate, LZX, Quantum?

Considering amiga has a compression tool called LZX, which one you'd think? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZX_%28algorithm%29
 

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2010, 10:25:44 PM »
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That's a command line interface. Does it have mouse support?
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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2010, 10:44:12 PM »
We (and by "we" I might mean just me) called thos "TUIs" for Textual User Interfaces.
But I don't think we called them that until after someone created and coined the term GUI.

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2010, 11:19:14 PM »
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We (and by "we" I might mean just me) called thos "TUIs" for Textual User Interfaces.
Just you then, TUI is something else, like ncurses etc. These things sold as graphical workstations, the user interface is not "drawn" using "characters", and yes there was a mouse and you could move/resize the windows.
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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2010, 11:23:07 PM »
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Considering amiga has a compression tool called LZX, which one you'd think? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZX_%28algorithm%29

Not really relevant since LZX never was part of AmigaOS.
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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2010, 12:00:27 AM »
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Not really relevant since LZX never was part of AmigaOS.


Splitting hairs.  LZX was first developed for the Amiga.  Good enough to say it came from Amiga, though AmigaOS is not technically accurate.
 

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2010, 03:58:44 AM »
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Just you then, TUI is something else, like ncurses etc. These things sold as graphical workstations, the user interface is not "drawn" using "characters", and yes there was a mouse and you could move/resize the windows.

What else could you do with the mouse? Could you launch any executable program by clicking on its icon, make menu selections with it, open folders and drives, move, delete folders by clicking/doubling clicking.  Hell. as late as 2007 I remember some well known Linux distro that wouldn't let you open to see the contents of a drive by double clicking its icon..
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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2010, 04:14:43 AM »
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Just you then, TUI is something else, like ncurses etc. These things sold as graphical workstations, the user interface is not "drawn" using "characters", and yes there was a mouse and you could move/resize the windows.

If it was drawn graphically, then it's definitely a GUI.
The screenshot appeared textual to me, but as it's graphical, I stand corrected.

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2010, 05:59:27 AM »
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If it was drawn graphically, then it's definitely a GUI.


Hmm.  Is being not drawn by text characters enough to be a GUI.  Does it satisfy the "UI" in GUI ie being a "user interface" in addition to being graphic?  Where are the program icons and pull down menus?  Can I actually make the computer do things by issuing commands with the mouse pointer or do I have to fire up a shell and start issuing text commands? Is this a bit like Ubuntu's  half-arsed GUI implemetation where reliance on terminal commands is fundamental to its operation..
 

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2010, 03:56:20 PM »
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Hmm.  Is being not drawn by text characters enough to be a GUI.  Does it satisfy the "UI" in GUI ie being a "user interface" in addition to being graphic?  Where are the program icons and pull down menus?  Can I actually make the computer do things by issuing commands with the mouse pointer or do I have to fire up a shell and start issuing text commands? Is this a bit like Ubuntu's  half-arsed GUI implemetation where reliance on terminal commands is fundamental to its operation..
Yes..
Whether or not it's a "good" or "full featured" User Interface doesn't change the fact that it is a user interface.
It does appear to have movable windows, probably mouse reactive.  Although you can have a GUI with only a keyboard.
I don't think (personally) you need to be able to launch an application with a mouse/pointer for something to be a GUI.

It might not be a modern GUI, but it (now that I know it is graphical) looks like a GUI to me.

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2010, 12:00:41 PM »
To focus on the other unique aspect of Workbench, multitasking, there was a Sinclair home computer that also mutlitasked in 1984 (QL) but without the GUI it was a bit rubbish to use. Ditto Apple and Atari ran with a nice GUI but it was like a car with a lawnmower engine....nothing fancy under the hood.

I think with Amiga they got it right, multitasking and GUI was very nice indeed. I'm sure companies were influenced by this whether they admit it or not.
 

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Re: AmigaOS and OS/2?
« Reply #29 from previous page: April 24, 2010, 05:27:47 AM »
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Something I was thinking lately is whether Microsoft copied an idea from magic workbench for their Windows7!? In this programs can be started from BIG icons on the taskbar. This is very similar to Magic Workbench; http://www.sasg.com/pic/mwb_preview.gif

However I am not sure if maybe this idea was copied from somewhere else before!?


This feature was available previously in the NeXT OS GUI.

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