Retro is better

[ElPolloDiabl]

I like the old 256 color and 32 color games, they have a certain warmth to them. Plus the hand drawn graphics is always nice to look at.

In 3D, whats the deal with those awful jagged lines even on higher resolutions I still see them, it makes the game look toyish. Considering the graphics power we have nowadays I shouldn't be let down in the graphics department.

What do you think?

[Karlos]

I like the old 256 color and 32 color games, they have a certain warmth to them. Plus the hand drawn graphics is always nice to look at.

Hand drawn graphics are nice for 2D.

In 3D, whats the deal with those awful jagged lines even on higher resolutions I still see them, it makes the game look toyish. Considering the graphics power we have nowadays I shouldn't be let down in the graphics department.

What do you think?

Use whatever advanced graphics tweaking tool that came with your card and:

1) Increase your fullscreen antialiasing settings to get rid of polygonal edge jaggies.
2) Use supersampling rather than multisampling for edge antialiasing
3) Use supersampling antialiasing for transparent texel edges

Finally, I think you need to install the absolute highest definition texture packs you can find for your games if you don't like the fact that at staring at a textured surface from point blank range reveals the texel edges.

[AJCopland]

Y'know those jagged edges/large squares you see when you're running a retro game on a large tv/monitor? They're the same thing, aliasing. If you're running a game at high enough resolution then they disappear, or you can apply expensive screen space/framebuffer anti-aliasing techniques to smooth them out, but they take post-processing/rendering power.

The Xbox360 version of our last game doesn't have them (as noticeable anyway) as the PS3 version because we could afford to crank up the Xbox360's anti-aliasing whereas on the PS3 we didn't have that option due to how close we were to our 60fps target and the X360s better hardware support for it.

cest la vie.

Andy

[SamuraiCrow]

I favor 2D games over 3D any time.

[remaster01]

I too like 2D graphics, they have a lot of work in the design and color area. As animator, make all drawings have certain magic.

[djrikki]

Same 2D ftw.

Thats why I play http://www.dofus.com

[arttu80]

Yea, remember Superfrog or Monkey Island? Would never ever forget these brilliant games and one main reason is truly tasteful graphics!

[runequester]

I like 3D when it actually improves gameplay. Sadly it seems a mantra now that games must be 3D even if it doesn't add anything useful

[Karlos]

I like 3D when it actually improves gameplay. Sadly it seems a mantra now that games must be 3D even if it doesn't add anything useful

That's true. It's a pity too because modern 3D hardware is capable of very flexible 2D graphics rendering.

[RMK305]

I prefer the older 2D games...but maybe that's because times were more exciting back then. Nothing has excited me about gaming really since the 32bit era was superseeded, well, appart from the Wii, and that was because it brought someting completley new to the table. It will be interesting to see where the next gen machines go....but I digress.

[runequester]

That's true. It's a pity too because modern 3D hardware is capable of very flexible 2D graphics rendering.

there was one RPG I played on the PS 2 recently. Forgot the title but when you walked around outside the combat maps, the backgrounds were in 2D and were absolutely GORGEOUS

[trekiej]

I hope this is not the wrong place for this. I still would love to have a NeoGeo.
You still can get their titles for other systems.

[save2600]

2D rocks and I'm in the camp that just doesn't care about modern systems and 3D too.

The Neo Geo is an incredible gaming experience. I've had several throughout the years (arcade MVS machines as well). They sure maximized the processing power in that puppy. There's even a 68000 in it IIRC. Both Baseball Stars, League Bowling, Last Resort, Metal Slug, King of Monsters, Umm... I'll just stop there. There's waaay too many great games for it, although you can have all those generic fighters they kept pumping out in the mid 90's. Yuck.

[trekiej]

we're not worthy we're not worthy

[Karlos]

Is  there a reason this has  to be an either/or type thing? Personally I love hand-pixelled 2D graphics in games, but I equally enjoy some of the phenomenal detail that has found it's way into modern 3D offerings too. Remember that many of the textures used in these titles have also been created by hand by talented artists.