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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #104 from previous page: July 09, 2010, 02:46:58 PM »
It is getting heated in here, but the TOS need to be followed. No personal attacks.
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #105 on: July 09, 2010, 06:29:08 PM »
Sorry to interrupt but I think whiteb, you need to calm down a bit. We've all heard a couple of accusations - leave aside the Sword of Sodan stuff, no-one really cares about that too much, not even here in Germany. IMHO if you give them a note and it's removed it's AOK.

To the claim of selling Kickstart images on *bay or whereever: Andreas is actively denying, got any proof? Otherwise please keep your comments to yourself.

As to PFS3 release: what's wrong with AF putting this on a cover CD when it's still going to be released as OS? Obviously Michiel needs to put a bit of work into it before, and usually this takes a while, low priority as it is.

If nothing comes up by the end of the year then you can start shouting - but you won't ever know if it's Andreas' fault or just the author's making up his mind / not being able to find the time. In that case I'll be glad to donate my copy of PFS3 to you.
 

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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #106 on: July 09, 2010, 06:39:33 PM »
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To the claim of selling Kickstart images on *bay or whereever: Andreas is actively denying, got any proof? Otherwise please keep your comments to yourself.


he mean this cd: http://www.apc-tcp.de/support/0033e.php

we sell this now 14 years. review in many mags, many, many users have this cd but nobody foundy any kickstart files on the cd.

i know my english are not really good. here are the original german text from the auction. can you translate it correct?

"Auf der CD befinden sich fast 1.000 Spiele für den Amiga.

Keine Raubkopien!

Mit einem Emulator (z.b. WinUAE) und inbstallierter Workbench läßt sich die CD auch auf PC benutzen.

Biete noch weitere Amiga CDs an.

nearly 1.000 Games für Amiga on this CD. no pirate Copies!!! With UAE Emulator and installed AMiga WOrkbench you can use the CD on PC, too.
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #107 on: July 09, 2010, 07:15:31 PM »
Quote from: AndreasM;569667
he mean this cd: http://www.apc-tcp.de/support/0033e.php

we sell this now 14 years. review in many mags, many, many users have this cd but nobody foundy any kickstart files on the cd.


From the contents listing I can't find any clue as to where there's any Kickstart/Workbench included.

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i know my english are not really good. here are the original german text from the auction. can you translate it correct?

"Auf der CD befinden sich fast 1.000 Spiele für den Amiga.

Keine Raubkopien!

Mit einem Emulator (z.b. WinUAE) und inbstallierter Workbench läßt sich die CD auch auf PC benutzen.

Biete noch weitere Amiga CDs an.

nearly 1.000 Games für Amiga on this CD. no pirate Copies!!! With UAE Emulator and installed AMiga WOrkbench you can use the CD on PC, too.
"


Ain't too bad ;) He might be referring to "With UAE you can...", implying that it's also supplied on the CD - which it isn't.
Rephrasing it to something like "You can also use this CD on a PC equipped with Amiga Forever or UAE." might be less ambiguous but is not necessarily required IMO.
 

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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #108 on: July 09, 2010, 08:56:13 PM »
This would, indeed, be great. I have my fingers crossed waiting to see it list in aminet...
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #109 on: September 05, 2010, 01:21:41 PM »
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This would, indeed, be great. I have my fingers crossed waiting to see it list in aminet...

Ditto. I'm not a big developer but I've sold one piece of software and then later given it away free, and I can tell you offering an old binary is quicker than putting out source code.

In my case when I've later gone to give away the source I found areas of code that needed significant commenting, formatting, documenting and changing (hard coded copyright etc). As I was in the area of reviewing source I may see small bugs I can fix or improvements and would add them.

In all the source release would often be improved and have an equivalent binary release to go with it.

IMHO the author of PFS3 should have full knowledge of what his options are before he releases the software as PD/open source, and whether somebody is still willing to give him money for it (???) - I'd do the same. I still have my fingers crossed and it is a shame if there are nefarious goings on, but I'd feel duped if I too realised later somebody was still willing to provide money for my software that I deemed commercial.

FWIW my software dropped to sales of about 5 a year (at £2 a pop) from 2-5 a month and at that point as the community for the software had shrunk significantly (Linux based Sharp Zaurus) the good will thing was to give back to a community that had supported me in other ways.

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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #110 on: September 08, 2010, 05:25:10 PM »
Time marches on - no updates?
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #111 on: September 08, 2010, 08:39:36 PM »
No news yet.
 

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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #112 on: September 19, 2010, 11:02:09 AM »
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No news yet.

So 7 weeks on... would it be prudent to attempt to get a rough timescale? I think it's only fair that if he's changed his mind or he has a timescale for an OS release that he mentions what that is, even if it means something like sometime early 2011...

[EDIT]Since Andreas has announced that he has updated the Amiga Future software downloads archive I've also asked where the PFS3 download was, perhaps unsurprisingly to be told he didn't know when the OS release was either (Andreas really I was inquiring when you were going to put the free original version in the downloads section since I assumed a download page update was important enough to be an announcement on amiga.org because you'd also be making free PFS3 too available for download :) ).[/EDIT]
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #113 on: September 19, 2010, 01:24:55 PM »
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No news yet.
I am going to die before PFS3 gets released :(
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2010, 12:16:01 PM »
Any news on PFS3?
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2010, 03:29:59 PM »
alas no sign of it. seems as there was no official release and no opening sources and only shady af release none cares anymore and no interest is generated.
i bought the af to get a copy which seems to be a little of a rip off so i dont reccomend that much. the archive was just copied from some other free amiga cd, a serial added from who knows where then an update archive attached for which you have to provide an original cd rom. all in all, a little disappointing.
 

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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #116 on: November 21, 2010, 04:37:47 AM »
The whole situation is disappointing.  An anouncement is made, and then an information vacuum.

I have PFS 2 but would love upgrade.
 

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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #117 on: November 21, 2010, 05:12:58 AM »
All of the things I heard about Andreas were, in truth, second hand. However, It is beginning to look like there is some truth there. If not, were in the world is the PD version of this OS?
Something isn't right here....
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2010, 06:16:43 AM »
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Okay, so that you know who I contacted, and the results I got so far:

Tobias Abt - Picasso96 - Got a response, it was NO
Heinz Wrobel - Envoy3 - Got a response, it was NO
Chris Hames - PCTask - YES to binaries
Michiel Pelt - PFS3 - YES to binaries and source, but will have to wait till he solves some issues
Holger Kruze - Miami Deluxe - Awaiting answer. Still to early to declare unanswered
Thomas Frieden/Hyperion - Warp3D - No answer
Stefan Stuntz - MUI 3.8 - No answer
Stephen Fellner - RiVA - Yes, but doesnt have enough time to look into the matter and release it



Currently I'm investigating if there is enough interest for an OS4-native port of DynaCADD.
I asked the owner if there is a chance for this and Mr. Koruk's response was positive so far.
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Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #119 on: November 26, 2010, 07:01:05 AM »
@Dandy

Well done! I hope you manage to get an OS4 build.

BTW, I should add to the list you quoted:
Holger Kruze - Miami Deluxe - No response
Bob Luneski - Termite TCP & GameSmith - YES only binaries
Sebastian Jedruszkiewicz - Frogger NG - No response