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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #119 from previous page: April 12, 2010, 05:28:07 PM »
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Ah Butterfly BSD, I haven't really kept up on the BSD scene, how's Matt doing with his distro?  ANything new and exciting in it?
Dragonfly.. Close.  :-)
I thought it was funny that he got "removed" from BSD kernel stuff because he disagreed with them on memory issues. (and so started Dragonfly)
It just sounded SO familiar.. :-)

I do have a BSD zealot co-worker and he's impressed with DragonFly although he prefers NetBSD I believe.  I've only dabbled in the BSD arena myself..

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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #120 on: April 12, 2010, 06:00:03 PM »
Dragonfly has some seriously nifty sounding features like internal clustering support within the kernel in order to help fully utilise mulicore systems.

With AMD releasing magnycore processors any day now, something like that may well come into its own.
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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #121 on: May 16, 2010, 03:25:48 PM »
This thread makes me sad.

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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #122 on: May 16, 2010, 04:19:17 PM »
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I have seen some amazing demos on the amiga. especially some of the ppc demos that are so small you cant but marvel at the obvious coding prownes.
 
I have also seen amazing things on PCs and amstrads and snes etc etc etc.
 
I love amiga, but I have not used one for quite some time now. I thinks IBM clones have their place. Macs not used. Love my Xbox and my PSP as well.
 
Really don't see the point in all these recent and over the years. Amiga rulez. windows sucks etc etc on infintium.
 
All Hardware and software has its place somewhere and everyone has different prefences.
 
No one is wrong, no one is right. Its all down to personal taste.
 
Same goes for music


No I agree, as a demo platform the PC coders have hardware light years ahead of anything an Amiga can plug into even a Zorro-III slot, and always will. The PC hardware hasn't been the problem for a decade, very powerful silicon in the box, bar none.

However Windows 7/Vista has no place anywhere. You specifically say Windows sucks sarcastically meaning we shouldn't say that. well only a fool would ever champion Windows today, it is pathetic bloatware beyond belief. 15Gb of space and requiring gigahertz of CPU power and gigabytes of memory just to show a mouse cursor on the screen to run even more bloatware CPU hogging applications, or routines like Flash video, is a joke....which microsoft laugh all the way to the bank about obviously. Windows IS pathetic and you'd have to be a bit of a n00b to think it is either efficient or elegant, what is worse than windows? Nothing. The only time Windows was superior to Linux was in Windows 95 days as far as machine requirements go. I can totally understand why people stopped at XP, you don't actually need anything more and microsoft artificially forcing DX10 off XP and making it Vista was just due to poor sales figures. Crysis was developed on XP-64bit and EA developers had a working DX setup for XP-64bit too, you can even see it in some old videos where they demo the DX10 features after launching the game code from XP 64.

OS X is too close to Linux + fancy windowing environment for me personally, not worth the premium Apple place on their computers...however that to some degree may be personal preference. After all some people genuinely prefer Linux to other operating systems so fair do's. And there are too many expensive paid for updates with OS X, forget that!

But as far as demos go, even 4kb ones, the PC has it's fair share of stunning demos simply because they have oodles of CPU power to play with thanks to having to run winblow bloatware.

Sure as hell though in the past there was some excellent coding, like the SID player and C64 Demo by Per Hakan Sundell for OCS Amigas, yes he of C64S emulator for DOS, who managed to get some amazingly accurate C64 SID tunes converted very closely with just Paula and a 7mhz 68000, show me all you want from later years but this in itself shows a time when extremely efficient coding was in evidence, and there is not a single 8mhz 8086 + 16bit Soundblaster equivalent of the C64 Music Demo as produced for Amiga. Those are the facts and combined with just what a terrible OS Windows is in terms of efficiency you can see why people are right to say Windows IS a pile of crap AND at the time (80s to early 90s) Amiga was king of the demo scene end of story. Sorry if that upsets anyone but those are historical facts on a like for like basis.

However things change, ironically thanks to such pathetic coding by microsoft for each successive OS, so that doesn't mean you shouldn't go looking for post 90s PC demo's or MOD tunes...my favourite on PC has to be from Quazar of Sanxion called Funky Stars. At the same time don't discount Amiga either, Silk Cut by Black Lotus is one hell of a demo, with superb art and music regardless of host machine's limitations. Pixel art and music are universal to all 16/32bit machines, and to some extent the host machine does not matter. If I owned a Falcon I would download Silk Cut for that too, simple.
 

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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #123 on: May 16, 2010, 05:30:55 PM »
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However Windows 7/Vista has no place anywhere.

Regardless if you believe this, Windows 7 is really really good.

That you somehow think that Microsoft does pathetic coding tells us more about you than Microsoft.
 

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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #124 on: May 16, 2010, 05:43:44 PM »
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Regardless if you believe this, Windows 7 is really really good.

That you somehow think that Microsoft does pathetic coding tells us more about you than Microsoft.


Seconded here, as I have done in other threads as well.  One thing I have not been able to test yet, does 7 eliminate the 255 character limit on file names?  Of all things Microsoft does wrong versus right, IMNHO this limitation is absolutely unforgivable in 2010.

And, nine pages to this thread?
 

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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #125 on: May 16, 2010, 06:02:03 PM »
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Seconded here, as I have done in other threads as well.  One thing I have not been able to test yet, does 7 eliminate the 255 character limit on file names?  Of all things Microsoft does wrong versus right, IMNHO this limitation is absolutely unforgivable in 2010.

And, nine pages to this thread?

Really?  :confused:  Besides Reiser most other modern file systems have the same "limitation" (ie. EXT4, HFS+, JFS, ZFS, etc.).  Not sure why anyone would want 4000+ character filenames anyway.
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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #126 on: May 16, 2010, 08:01:34 PM »
What's wrong with 4000+ character file names?  So long as you have space on the drive why should the OS care?  Some people like to include a fair bit of a description in the file name, what's wrong with that?
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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #127 on: May 16, 2010, 08:14:45 PM »
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What's wrong with 4000+ character file names?  So long as you have space on the drive why should the OS care?  Some people like to include a fair bit of a description in the file name, what's wrong with that?


Nothing wrong about that but I think that it would be better to put that description in a "comment" field like it's done on AmigaOS files :-)
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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #128 on: May 16, 2010, 10:01:48 PM »
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Nothing wrong about that but I think that it would be better to put that description in a "comment" field like it's done on AmigaOS files :-)

Or use meta tags/information to store more information.  I've never gotten close to the 255 limitation on my PC or Mac so I guess I don't understand what the big deal is.
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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #129 on: May 16, 2010, 11:08:31 PM »
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@Amiga_Nut


Regardless if you believe this, Windows 7 is really really good.

That you somehow think that Microsoft does pathetic coding tells us more about you than Microsoft.


Im sure the superior microsoft coding is why windows servers have uptimes measured in years compared to the unix server that has to be rebooted with every patch.

Wait...

I got that backwards again. Silly me.
 

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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2010, 12:00:18 AM »
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Im sure the superior microsoft coding is why windows servers have uptimes measured in years compared to the unix server that has to be rebooted with every patch.

Wait...

I got that backwards again. Silly me.


I'm sure inferior Microsoft coding is why windows servers run years with vulnerable kernels and that most exploited systems are windows servers.

Wait...

I got that backwards again. Silly me.
 

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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2010, 02:09:59 AM »
Here is some hard truth for everyone...

Windows and Unix/Linux servers are only reliable as their adminstrators.

 I worked with a Telcom and the Unix/Red Hat Linux servers always having issues, etc.  But the Windows Servers had 99% up time and ran like champs. We even moved all our Java apps to windows cause dealing with the Unix admins wasn't worth it - they where so uptight about everything to the point you couldn't do your job.

Then when I left the Telcom to work with a Waste Management company - the opposite was going on - Unix/Linux boxes ran the databases great - but the servers running MS Exchange, IIS, applications, etc always had issues and forget keeping citrix up with out schedule reboots!

So I am sure given the right idiot admin and any Server OS can suck...  

From my experience , the only server OS I have never seen issues out of was OpenVMS. You set that damn thing and could forget about it for years!
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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #132 on: May 17, 2010, 02:30:53 AM »
Hey, do we all get to play the "I'm going to state things as facts with no impartial statistics to back them up" game?
Wow!  Sounds like fun...
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There's lies, damn lies, statistics and then OS statistics...

They will all tell you what you want to hear depending on who's talking.

A bad admin can ruin any OS.
A good admin can fairly well secure any OS.
If someone really wants into your server and they are good enough, they will get in.

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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #133 on: May 17, 2010, 03:23:11 AM »
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So AROS is just a hobby then? I would think that it has as much potential as Linux to become a popular desktop OS.


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Re: mac and pc sucks!!!!
« Reply #134 on: May 17, 2010, 06:18:08 AM »
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Really?  :confused:


Yes.