mac and pc sucks!!!!

[bloodline]

Thats all simply a function of the lightning fast hardware that even a low end x86 machine has these days.

A simple thing like pulling down a menu in my multi-core, multi Ghz, mult Gb ram Ubuntu system, and the menu contents are drawn more slowly than a 14 mhz 2 meg A1200.  Its "sticks" as i go across the menu bar and the next men u is drawn and populated and the old one erased Move your pointer down the menu bar a little faster, and the selection jumps over the menu items as the OS can't keep up with the pointer.  FFS it just FEELS shit.

In that case you need a Mac...



... I'll get me coat

[jj]

no "joke" like that is harmless. There is an implication there that is inappropriate..

Seriously.  I am not defending the remarks.  But when was it that it became law that a) you are not allowed to offend anyone and b) nobody should ever be offened by anyone or anything ever.

[jj]

Today's computers be they Macs or PCs are able to do video, image and sound editing that one could not even dream about on the Amiga. Operating systems have become more complex because there's more complex activities for them to do.
 
Amiga boards live in a sort of alternate reality world where Macs, PCs and Linux boxes have not changed in two decades. Where people seem to attach almost magical characteristics to IBM's Power architecture. Where a small cabal of maybe a thousand Amiga Illuminati know more than the billions of other people who use computers, especially than the computer scientists, engineers, academics, et al, who instead of worrying about measuring the bounce of a joystick are wasting their time developing complex solution to world problems. Don't they know that they could just write that app in Amiga Basic?

 
Very well said

[jj]

Thats all simply a function of the lightning fast hardware that even a low end x86 machine has these days.
 
A simple thing like pulling down a menu in my multi-core, multi Ghz, mult Gb ram Ubuntu system, and the menu contents are drawn more slowly than a 14 mhz 2 meg A1200. Its "sticks" as i go across the menu bar and the next men u is drawn and populated and the old one erased Move your pointer down the menu bar a little faster, and the selection jumps over the menu items as the OS can't keep up with the pointer. FFS it just FEELS shit.

Something wrong with your install then mate.

[stefcep2]

Something wrong with your install then mate.

Ha.  Yeah.  That hoary old chestnut. NOTHING wrong with the install.  Its just Linux, a CLI OS with a GUI sitting on top to make it LOOK like i have a mouse and GUI system, but not FEEL like it.

[ElPolloDiabl]

I had a problem with a sticky pointer on XP pro. It was probably caused by programs leaving bits in after they were supposedly uninstalled.  

Ideally Windows should load the most important parts of the OS into RAM and keep it untouchable. If someone wants to move the mouse then drop everything and move the mouse. You can't tell me that background tasks are too finicky to be suspended quickly.

Windows is badly patched together, they need an A-team that does all the GUI work. If it breaks something in file indexing then the file indexing guy should go back and change all his work.

If people are noticing a speed up in Windows 7, part of it is because they added hardware acceleration to the GUI. They're still patching over bad design. If they want any respect from me they should do what they once did and design an OS from the ground up.

[jj]

Ha. Yeah. That hoary old chestnut. NOTHING wrong with the install. Its just Linux, a CLI OS with a GUI sitting on top to make it LOOK like i have a mouse and GUI system, but not FEEL like it.

Well I must admit ubuntu 10.4 on my 2gig amd 64x2 4200+ , the GUI is the most responsive GUI I have used.

[Karlos]

Thats all simply a function of the lightning fast hardware that even a low end x86 machine has these days.

And that's bad because?

A simple thing like pulling down a menu in my multi-core, multi Ghz, mult Gb ram Ubuntu system, and the menu contents are drawn more slowly than a 14 mhz 2 meg A1200.

LOL. Really? I can't say I've noticed the same problem. Quite the reverse, actually On my 040, with 256MB ram and 8MB Permedia 2 graphics card, I notice that a simple thing like closing a window demonstrates how slow the old hardware is. I can see the workbench background image redrawing to fill the area where the window was. The only way not to see it is to use the default grey background.

Its "sticks" as i go across the menu bar and the next men u is drawn and populated and the old one erased Move your pointer down the menu bar a little faster, and the selection jumps over the menu items as the OS can't keep up with the pointer.  FFS it just FEELS shit.

Nope, I don't even get that on my single-core P4 work machine with just 1GB, which is running fedora 10 with gnome. That's a lot less horespower than my home machine.

Perhaps there is some small persistence, there's no way really to be sure on this monitor. However, even if there were, unlike the default OS 3.x install, opening a menu does not lock the entire screen until the menu is released. Overall, a fair trade off, if you as me.

[Arkhan]

Amiga boards live in a sort of alternate reality world where Macs, PCs and Linux boxes have not changed in two decades.  Where people seem to attach almost magical characteristics to IBM's Power architecture.  Where a small cabal of maybe a thousand Amiga Illuminati know more than the billions of other people who use computers, especially than the computer scientists, engineers, academics, et al, who instead of worrying about measuring the bounce of a joystick are wasting their time developing complex solution to world problems.  Don't they know that they could just write that app in Amiga Basic?

Hi, we're all retro computer enthusiasts.  Have we met?

go peddle your Amiga hate somewhere else, doofy.  Let the rest of us be enthusiastic hobbyists about a 25 year old computer.  


@Hell Labs (even though hes banned, :laughing:)
You can totally get stuff in the new mac keyboards.  Been there, done that.

It helps if you actually HAVE one!

You can also totally spill Pepsi in the new Macbook's and destroy them on accident.

Nothing beats a 1300$ can of pepsi man.

[persia]

@Arkhan

I wasn't speaking about the retro enthusiasts, rather I was thinking of those who seem to think that the world is awaiting an Amiga saviour to rise from the grave.  I still play with my 3000 or a UAE emulator, they're reminders of the past, of where I came from.  It's a bit like tinkering with old cars, it's fun.  It's a hobby.  That's great, I have friends who spend a fortune to set up amateur radio stations to contact people that would be easier and cheaper contacted by mobile phone.  THat's great too, but none of them really think the mobile phone network will be replaced with a 2 metre handheld any time soon.

[desiv]

... It's a bit like tinkering with old cars, it's fun.  It's a hobby.  That's great...

That's a good metaphor...
What gets me are the people who say, "Yeah, it might be fun, but it's useless nowadays!"..  When that's not true.
It depends on what you want to do with it.
An old car is great.  It will still get you from point A to point B.
It won't win any speed or mileage competitions, but it can still do certain things, so I wouldn't call it useless.

Same with the Amiga to me...

desiv

[ElPolloDiabl]

So AROS is just a hobby then? I would think that it has as much potential as Linux to become a popular desktop OS.
I don't think Windows is ever going to get replaced as the mainstream, but if you can have a small niche (which could be up to a million people nowadays) and your OS is free. Why shouldn't people get passionate about it?

[Karlos]

So AROS is just a hobby then? I would think that it has as much potential as Linux to become a popular desktop OS.

As much as I like AROS so far, I don't think that's realistic without some major changes.

It would require proper memory protection before that can realistically happen. These days people do not expect the machine to be brought down by an application bug. Unfortunately, robust memory protection and the AmigaOS IPC mechanism don't sit particularly well together.

Secondly, nobody that's paid good money for a multicore processor is going to want to use a primary OS that isn't capable of SMP.

[desiv]

These days people do not expect the machine to be brought down by an application bug.

You don't use Windows much then?  :roflmao:
Kidding.. I kid..
(as I reset my Windows machine because there's an app I can't kill with Task manager taking so much CPU the system is crawling..  No, I'm kidding of course.  That NEVER happens in Windows.. )


Seriously tho, I remember "back in the day", we were all involved in this one particular fidonet chat stream.  There were 2 chains of thought going on as to how get memory protection working for the Amiga.
I was on the Matt Dillon side of the argument.  I can't remember who was the "force" behind the other side.  They both knew their stuff.  (I was much more an observer, but I had more faith in Matt; got my D.I.C.E. from him directly).

Commodore actually hired the other person (not sure to do what tho), and the argument fizzled.  Matt moved on to BSD fame (infamy). :-)  No Amiga memory protection..

Fun times.. :-)

[persia]

Ah Butterfly BSD, I haven't really kept up on the BSD scene, how's Matt doing with his distro?  ANything new and exciting in it?

[desiv]

Ah Butterfly BSD, I haven't really kept up on the BSD scene, how's Matt doing with his distro?  ANything new and exciting in it?

Dragonfly.. Close.  :-)
I thought it was funny that he got "removed" from BSD kernel stuff because he disagreed with them on memory issues. (and so started Dragonfly)
It just sounded SO familiar.. :-)

I do have a BSD zealot co-worker and he's impressed with DragonFly although he prefers NetBSD I believe.  I've only dabbled in the BSD arena myself..

desiv