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Dead Blizzard 1260?
« on: April 08, 2010, 01:25:04 AM »
Hello:
When I put the Blizzard on I only get a black screen. No light at all.
No "ticking" on the floppy drive, and only the internal cd rom starting.
If I put a Hawk ramboard the Amiga 1200 works fine.
Have tried changing the memory simm to another, and without it too.
The PSU is the A500 one.
How do I know if its broken and what can I d:( ?
« Last Edit: April 08, 2010, 09:08:52 AM by Retrofan »
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 01:49:33 AM »
At one point my Blizzard 1260 died. It turned out to be the oscillator, of all things. I socketed it after that. If you have to try a few things via trial-and-error, you might as well try the simpler things first.

Other things to check are voltages (either the power supply might not put out enough power or there might be a bad connection somewhere), dirty contacts on the accelerator slot and the condition of the SIMM slot on the Blizzard 1260.

How long ago did it last work? Did it ever work in the system you're trying to use it in now?
 

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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 09:08:18 AM »
It came with two oscillators with sockets at the accelerator to change them, and I have tried both, 050 and 060 (a couple of minutes without fan, only to try it), and nothing.
The Blizzard worked with the Worbench 3.0 (I have two HD, a 450 mb one installed with 3.0, and a Fc with 4GB and 3.1), but had guru page with the 3.1 and I didn't had the floppy working to put the software.
I don't remember if I got it working with the 3.0 kickstarts or with the 3.1 I changed.
Now I have the floppy drive and everything working (with the Hawk), and the library installed.
While I was waiting for the floppy I cleaned the contacts and the whole accelerator with Isopropyl Alcohol (perhaps too much could damage it?) . Too I changed the battery (soldered) with the same Panasonic VL2020 model, althought the old didn't see bad and hasn't any mark around it. The voltage it has is correct (old battery has 2.84, the new 3.10).
I've thought too in the PSU. I tried to disconect the cd and the floppy, but nothing.
 
Have just now tried another A500 PSU and the 3.0 kickstarts roms and nothing.
How do I test the voltages?
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 11:26:19 AM »
If you tested with different power supply units you can do following tests:
1) remove RAM and try to boot without HDD
2) measure 3,3V voltage on the center pin of voltage regulator
3) try to test on another A1200 motherboard
 
If no results and 3,3V is ok; well, you have broken turbo card :-(
You can send to someone for repair (I can do so but other persons on this Forum can do this job as well). But none will give you 100% guarantee that card will be fixed.
If IC's are not electrically damaged the chances that card can be repaired is about 95%
 
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2010, 12:28:42 PM »
Which is the voltage regulator? Is the 3 legs (or pin) square black box in the Blizzard? I suposse so.
With the "legs" or pins looking upwards, this is what I get:
Between the first and the second 1,69
Between the second and the third 3,29
Between the first and the third 4,98
 
I don't have an idea of electricity, but did I measure it right and is that ok?
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 12:37:15 PM »
You measured 3,29V which is 3,3V, so CPU voltage is ok....
 

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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 12:46:35 PM »
i do belive the voltage should be somewhere between 3.309v and 3.325v...

3.29v seems a little low to me which points towards the processor..... this does not mean the processor is faulty.
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2010, 12:50:19 PM »
Don't forget that typical (cheap) voltmeters have +/-1% +/- 2 last digit tolerance ;-)
 

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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2010, 12:56:39 PM »
what you should first check is your PSU what does 5v line read.

EDIT: just seen your reading 4.98v thats ok.
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2010, 01:09:56 PM »
If I get 4,98v between the 1st and the 3rd, doesn't it mean it has the correct voltage given by the PSU?
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2010, 01:18:18 PM »
4,98V is ok.
So check on another A1200
If black screen again; well :-(
As said if IC's on the board are not electrically damaged the card can be fixed.
 

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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2010, 01:22:44 PM »
Quote from: Retrofan;552107
If I get 4,98v between the 1st and the 3rd, doesn't it mean it has the correct voltage given by the PSU?


thats excellent.

the fault is somewhere else..3.2v is low it should be reading at the very min 3.307-9 or in the 3.3v range.

it hard to say what the fault could be from here im going to try something here on my system.
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2010, 02:22:00 PM »
the faullt is limited in places but it can be anywhere and repairs are limited due to parts.

1. the regulator unlikly but you never know as output is not correct and it will not boot if voltage is too low which yours is.

2. processor is faulty i don`t think any other logics chips use 3.3v on that board.


what you can try before sending it out for repairs is clean the edge connector with contact cleaner this is the only advise i can give. do not mess around with the card if you don`t know what you are doing as some users make the card worse than it already is and may end up costing you more in repairs.
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2010, 03:01:01 PM »
I tried the Amiga without HDD and Blizzard without Ram, and nothing.
I think if it works with the Hawk, it must not be the Amiga, and I don't know another to try.
I believe I will send it to Amiga Center in France. I'm already in contact with them. If they fix it I will post a reply so that everybody knows.
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Re: Dead Blizzard 1260?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2010, 06:32:46 PM »
Just a question: at Amiga Center they've tell me it could be (I know it's very difficult to say without having it) around 150€.
Can you tell me another place to try (to find a cheaper one)?
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