Anyone going to stand in line for this thing? Just wondering

[Trev]

@KatManDEW

They're not listening. ;-) If Apple can sell candy-coated s**t to four people and gold-plated nirvana to one person, it's candy-coated s**t all the way. And six months later, everyone else will be selling candy-coated s**t, too. You're arguing against human nature.

Personally, I don't think Apple's products are s**t, and anyone claiming to have gold-plated nirvana is probably selling you lead. Or something like that. :-P

[Moto]

What a shame there are so many close minded individuals here.  It's almost impossible to have intelligent open discourse on this forum.  You should have just called this thread "Let's bash the iPad".

[KatManDEW]

What a shame there are so many close minded individuals here.  It's almost impossible to have intelligent open discourse on this forum.  You should have just called this thread "Let's bash the iPad".

Just because some folks don't see the value in a product, and thus don't wish to spend their money on it, doesn't mean they are closed minded. Is is after all their money.

Remember - the customer is always wrong.

[KatManDEW]

@KatManDEW

They're not listening.

One of the most important things my father taught me is that you don't speak up, you can't expect change. Over the course of several decades on this planet, I have been shocked at the number or times, and types of situations, where I spoke up, and lo and behold, something was done about it!

If you go to a restaurant and they serve you a dish with a hair in the food, they darn sure aren't going to do anything about it if you don't speak up.

[Arkhan]

Retro gaming, most people aren't retro.  You don't get this.  The device isn't for the Amiga user pining away in the fjords of Norway.  There will always be a niche for the retro fans.  The X1000 and the SAMs are proof of that, boat anchors to 99.99999% of the world, they will always sell to the true believer.  iPad is about the rest of the world, who couldn't give a s**t about operating systems and just want to do things.  There is talk of virtual reality games when the next version with a camera comes out.  Games will change to fit this device, not the other way around.  Understand that we live in 2010, a lot of young people don't even know what a joystick is.

You either embrace the future or confine yourself to a backwater.  You are free to choose, but don't complain when others don't choose to follow you into the backwater....

You must not be very hip to the current gaming scene.  Plenty of young people know what joysticks are, and the iPad doesn't have the same capabilities as an actual gaming rig, be it a PC or console.    Games changing to fit the device means the games will probably be crap, since usually the device is made to adapt to the GAMES.  Console/PC gaming has evolved nicely over 3ish decades now, and both young and old people alike realize whats up.

introducing a new platform for gaming and having the games "adapt", again proves that Apple is out of sync as far as the gaming world.  The gaming feature often seems tacked on.   I would love to see a game as impressive as Metal Gear Solid 4 on the iPad, and have it be perfectly playable with the touch screen.  

Noone who is serious about gaming, and enjoys having an actual controller with nice, tactile response, is going to really enjoy fingering up their screen trying to play some substandard game on a 500$ clipboard, especially when for <500$ you could get a PSP AND DS, or buy a PS3 and a dickload of games....  also, Wiping the cheeto dust off a controller is alot easier than cleaning it off a touch screen also.  

There is no confinement to the backwater, or old amiga farts pining away in norway.  Its gamers realizing that the device is ill suited for gaming.  Just like the 360 is ill suited for surfing the net, and storing notes/crap.


Trying to defend the iPad as a gaming platform is like trying to defend a baseball cap as a crash helmet.

[halvliter'n]

No thanks, it is not necessary with all this garbage. This thing is only for those who think they are something or are frequently on the apple. (google translate, hehe)

[persia]

@Arkhan

There is the gaming community and then there are people who just play games.  The former are not the target of the iPad, that latter are.

[ElPolloDiabl]

You don't have to defend it, the iPhone (must also include iPod touch) is officially in 2nd place behind the Nintendo DS.

The risk is that games will be further dumbed down to accommodate people who only have touchscreen interface. Consoles have already made some PC games frustrating to play because they removed the mouse based control.

It's easy to fix... the software companies should force people to buy a trackball or gamepad peripheral in order to play. It's a PC and also Amiga tradition of forcing someone to upgrade in order to play your new bells & whistles game.

[runequester]

You must not be very hip to the current gaming scene.  Plenty of young people know what joysticks are, and the iPad doesn't have the same capabilities as an actual gaming rig, be it a PC or console.    Games changing to fit the device means the games will probably be crap, since usually the device is made to adapt to the GAMES.  Console/PC gaming has evolved nicely over 3ish decades now, and both young and old people alike realize whats up.

introducing a new platform for gaming and having the games "adapt", again proves that Apple is out of sync as far as the gaming world.  The gaming feature often seems tacked on.   I would love to see a game as impressive as Metal Gear Solid 4 on the iPad, and have it be perfectly playable with the touch screen.  

Most people don't care about the visuals. The best selling gaming machine is the nintendo DS for crying out loud.

"casual" games that people love to sneer at are outselling "hardcore" games.

Most people don't want to spend the hassle of buying a thousand dollar PC, try to figure out if the current version of windows actually happens to support their video card, find the correct drivers on the internet, and then hope the damn thing actually runs.
Good luck figuring out the 21 keyboard shortcuts so you can actually play the damn thing.

People want to just toss in a disc or cartridge, pick up the controller or touch the screen and make things happen.


I am willing to guarantee that at this very moment, as I type this post, more people are playing Bejewelled than there are people who will ever play Crysis in the history of the human civilization.

That "gaming" is somehow confined to the drivel the PC game industry sees fit to vomit forth is laughable if you have any idea of how the industry works.

[Arkhan]

@Arkhan

There is the gaming community and then there are people who just play games.  The former are not the target of the iPad, that latter are.

well then don't lump actual gamers in with them and take petty jabs at Amiga fans.

[runequester]

well then don't lump actual gamers in with them and take petty jabs at Amiga fans.

What defines an "actual gamer" ?

[Arkhan]

What defines an "actual gamer" ?

people who want more than pokey clicky pseudo browser games.

cmon youre posting on an Amiga forum, have a username like Runequester, and are asking this?    The gaming community at large, and the underground gaming scene of today, is not in line for iPad

[runequester]

people who want more than pokey clicky pseudo browser games.

cmon youre posting on an Amiga forum, have a username like Runequester, and are asking this?    The gaming community at large, and the underground gaming scene of today, is not in line for iPad

The gaming community went out and bought 360's and wii's.

Its funny because I dont even have a dog in this race, but you guys are cracking me the hell up.
A bunch of guys running the absolute default, zero-thought mainstream OS that came with the computer when you bought it, talking about "real gamers" and making sure to mark off their territory and point out how some people are not "gamers"

And they are making fun of Apple and the people who buy Apple products because they happen to sit in another box.


Is this for real ? Did April 1st get an extension as part of the new health care reform in the US ?


People are so self-identified with their gadgets and electronics, that they feel any slight against it or any inch conceded to another platform must be an affront to their personality.

Is that really all there is to it anymore?


Just in case, it really is all.... I'll take the opportunity to point out that "real gamers" do pen and paper. Electronics are so 1980's. Man..

[ElPolloDiabl]

I am willing to guarantee that at this very moment, as I type this post, more people are playing Bejewelled than there are people who will ever play Crysis in the history of the human civilization.

I agree with this statement, I have heaps of fun playing pictionary or artillery games where you get to chat with people at the same time. Also It would depend on the age group, oldies play the strategy games the younger ones play shooters.
Somebody needs to do a marketing study I think, it might improve things.

[Pyromania]

One drawback of the iPad which is not a limitation of the device is that the iBooks App is only on the iPad. WTF? Apple thinks only iPad owners like to read? The Kindle gets this right. I don't own the Kindle hardware but still buy Kindle books since I have the App on the iPhone, Mac OS X & Windows.

The iBooks App could be ported to iPhone, iPod Touch and even all Mac's easy. Apple should not limit it only to the iPad.

[runequester]

I agree with this statement, I have heaps of fun playing pictionary or artillery games where you get to chat with people at the same time. Also It would depend on the age group, oldies play the strategy games the younger ones play shooters.
Somebody needs to do a marketing study I think, it might improve things.

Half the reason I dig old amiga games still is because they have two player. Even a crap game like Dogs of War becomes a lot of fun with a mate and a beer or two.

The social aspect is one that tends to get missed a lot.