Bastards!!!

[Jose]

Well, at the time I managed to find the service manuals for the american and european models and the chassis were different (probably due to different electrical standards too etc.) so it wasn't worth it. If there was a mod available I'm sure I would have tried it. BTW I found out the later Toshiba CRTs accept 1080i signals using a VGA to component video transcoder and some custom settings on Powerstrip (PC program to tweak image parameters, a bit like Picasso96's mode editor). They also accept some interesting frequencies and resolutions like 1200x 833i (probably the limits of the tube). The image needs some tweaking though and since I'm not into electronics (CRT image frequency and timing adjustments etc.) it becomes harder and boring to try to go further...

Very OT I knoew but I had to say it:)

[Trev]

Usually advertised features are subject to change (often without warning), as stated in some minuscule text on the advert somewhere.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52074

As the thread asks, why do people believe the advertising?

But, it wasn't just an advertised feature, so Sony can't claim that here. If they remove it now, even with proper notice, they still be in violation of an implied warranty of merchantability, especially in places like California (where I happily live). No amount legal wrangling can get around an implied warranty. While Sony may be vulnerable to a class action lawsuit, however, I doubt it will happen. As others have noted, this will just encourage users to find so-called illegal methods of accessing the hardware.

[Pyromania]

@Trev

This change if true only affects FAT PS3's, most or all of those are out of warranty.

[Trev]

@Trev

This change if true only affects FAT PS3's, most or all of those are out of warranty.

The implied warranty is separate from the express warranty and is based solely on the product being fit for a particular purpose, e.g. running an alternative operating system. The act of accepting the upgrade's license agreement may qualify as a renegotiation of the terms of the original sale complete with a new implied warranty of mechantability that doesn't include running alternative operating systems. I don't know if you can renegotiate the terms of a sale after the sale has taken place. I'm not a lawyer, but my mother is. I'll ask her. ;-) One thing I do know is a blanket AS-IS disclaimer would not apply to features the product is expressly documented to support.

EDIT: Working around implied warranties is also a key part of advertising. That's why products are always advertised to "MAY" or "HELP" do something instead of actually doing something. Crafty that.

[cpfuture]

Finally. It surprised me it took 4 pages of this thread before someone noticed that. Obviously this is a prank by Sony. They're probably laughing their asses off right now at forum postings all over the net of people losing it.

I eat my own words. They actually did it.

http://www.dtechgadget.com/psa-ps3-firmware-update-3-21-available-now/

[Pyromania]

@cpfuture


Bummer!

[Cool_amigaN]

I have an objection to this kind of attitude by the big companies, to be honest.  The thing is, it was their machine, when it was in the store.  But as soon as I purchase it, it becomes my machine.  And I should be able to choose what I want to do with it.

I don't actually have a PS3 so I'm not affected by this particular decision, but I did make the mistake of buying an iPhone which, I've discovered, is not my iPhone after all.  I paid for it in good faith, but it's actually Apple's iPhone, not mine.  If it were mine, I could decide what applications I wanted to run on it.  Instead, Apple tell me what applications I'm allowed to run on it, and which functions I can use and how I can use them.  But not to worry, it's just a phone, right? So all I should be concerned about is using the phone features and not whether I'm allowed to use the Bluetooth hardware? Yeah, right.  That's certainly the attitude I should be adopting if I go by your "it's just a games console" opinion.  But the reality is, the iPhone is a lot more than a mobile phone and I want to use it as such.  Just like the PS3 is a lot more than a Games Console.

So yeah, I view this move by Sony as the very same thing Apple is doing with their iPhones.  I'm not shedding tears or getting dramatic, there certainly are bigger problems in the world, no doubt about that, but that doesn't mean I have to approve of it

Apple Hammer

Hello! This is our national law here in Greece and as far I remember we are the only E.U country supporting this statement. The machine belongs to the customer from the time of purchase at the store and NOT to the company. This is why it is illegal here in Greece for Apple to sell their IPhones locked. I don't know what Sony does. Truth is that customers don't give a shit here if x,y,z is locked until they face a major problem with (e.g trying to install something essential and found that it is forbidden). Anyway, I do not believe that any customer here will protest against Sony since 99.99% of them buy the console just to play games but if the 00.01% gets them to court Sony will will find themselves in some sort of trouble. If the case goes to the supreme E.U court however I can't predict the outcome since I am not aware of the exact E.U regulation.

[zosodk69]

Your talking FAT here arn`t you. The PS3 has moved on and the hardwear like my original FAT is now out of date. The SLIM never supported the other OS feature as I understand so why is anyone surprised that 3 year old technology is now going to be updated to bring it in line with the slim PS3. Eventually the FAT will disappear as the PS3 has become far more popular since the release of the SLIM... And more changes are in the pipeline. SONY won't make the same mistake again as they did with the XBOX and they will keep the 'gaming console' ahead of the pack. The games are what sells, not the disc player ... and a specialist minority group like LINUX are hardly their concern.... And they can change their mode of operation at any time. I support SONY for their gaming console, always will. So If they think its necessary to move the platform on to compete  with crappy Microsoft then I am very very pleased. Seriously if you want LINUX go get a tin box....

The PS3 is internet dependant for gaming now and most stuff won`t run without the Playstation Network which is free. This internet updating tool from SONY keeps both FAT and SLIM healthy, for PS3 browser and gaming purposes. That is the focus, sorry. So the computer will get updated unless you simply disconnect it from the telephone line.

scuzz

That all sounds great accept that it is mostly made up.  "The PS3 has moved on and the hardwear like my original FAT is now out of date." is, once again, purely subjective.  As a matter of fact, a month ago Sony stated it was committed to supporting Other OS on the legacy models:
http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/cbe-oss-dev/2010-February/007202.html

I support SONY for their gaming console, always will.

This sentiment is actually quite scary!  You go right ahead and worship your corporate overlord.  Sony is a faceless, soulless, transnational corporation with no love for customers, simply profit.  You are probably correct though, that Linux users who also use the Playstation Network are probably a miniscule minority.  Whether Sony's behavior is legal or not, I'm sure they have nothing to fear from us.

As a member of the super-majority I'm sure it's easy to tell the minority to suck it up but one day you'll be the minority; yelling from your little soap box while the majority tells you to suck it up and get back to suckling the teet of Sony.

[swift240]

I got my PS3 40gb on March 28th now I was going to install Linux onto it, but F**** I cant now, thanks Sony, thanks a lot.

[coldfish]

Ah well if it's any consolation, Sony have had a tough fight this generation and seem to have a death wish by alienating users every chance they get.

First it was bad pricing and the backward compatability issues, then lack of software and prolonged development cycles...

I doubt they'll ever see the success they had with PS2 repeated.

[koshman]

@ zosodk69: you might be surprised, but in every minority there are also those who really do suck up and don't whine in the first place. Not that in this case there is anything wrong with complaining, just don't generalize.

[jj]

@ zosodk69: you might be surprised, but in every minority there are also those who really do suck up and don't whine in the first place. Not that in this case there is anything wrong with complaining, just don't generalize.

But people if they are in the majority or minority shouldn't just bend over and get fd in the a. The more people take it the more it will get done to them in all aspects of life

[haywirepc]

I think them doing this is a reall bad business move. You can get an xbox 360 for 1/3 the price of a ps3 and the games are just as good. Many nerds pay the extra money to get the linux option. It makes for a wonderful computer for your living room to check mail between games, play music, play dvds or divx videos.

As far as the comments about performance. If you tried doing something like rendering a full quality hour long home movie on your ps3,you may see why so
many people rave about linux on ps3. If the video app supports multiple
processor rendering, its absolutely lovely to use.

Steven

[koshman]

Actually the price of PS3 slim is very close to the price of X360 Elite (at least it was when Slim was introduced). And all those things you mentioned you can do on a PS3 even without Linux. Of course, I understand that having Linux on it can be useful, I'd probably install it too if it was still possible.

[scuzzb494]

I just went through the update and SONY give you the option not to accept the update. They explain exactly what will happen if you accept the update and they warn you of the consequences of updating if you run LINUX on the PS3. So I don`t see how anyone can complain. Its a simple choice ... if you want to use the machine as an entertainment console then accept, cus without it you will not be able to log into the Playstation Network... and play games that sychronise trophies such as Bayonetta.... OR if you want to run daisy chain LINUX etc then dont agree. Your not forced to agree to the update. ITS NOT AUTOMATIC.

I just agreed cus I really want to use the full potential of my PS3 as a games console. Others can use it as they please. You could always get a SLIM for games and a FAT for LINUX. Really don`t see what the name calling is all about.

[scuzzb494]

Actually the price of PS3 slim is very close to the price of X360 Elite (at least it was when Slim was introduced). And all those things you mentioned you can do on a PS3 even without Linux. Of course, I understand that having Linux on it can be useful, I'd probably install it too if it was still possible.

The XBOX Elite comes out just a touch more expensive cus you really need the recharger for the batteries for the controller, and XBOX Live isn't free. In the end my XBOX Elite cost more than the PS3 Slim. More annoying is that it turned out to be inferior to the PS3... and all the hype about Bayonetta being better was unfounded. The interface is junk. I put the thing straight back in the box and cancelled my WindowsLive account.

scuzz