new os3.x software ?

[Jose]

Another one here, though not my primary OS, I use an XP machine for work stuff and Amiga for fun computing. Anyway, I think we should focus on apps that most of us want, like web browser.

[Cammy]

Would anyone like to help set up a new IBrowse/AWeb-compatible Amiga games development forum? I think if we're going to get any work done at all, we need a new forum where we can all get to work. Underground Arcade used to have a forum, but the host deleted it and we were left stranded. I wouldn't intend the forum to be a competitor to Amiga.org or any other Amiga forums, the sole focus will be on Amiga games development. We can use UtilityBase for application development, and Amiga.org and other general Amiga forums for discussion, but we still need one central forum for games development, with a companion website for Amiga games news and downloads.

My head is about to explode from all the ideas I have for new Amiga games, programs and hardware peripherals, and I really need a place to vent some of this so we can make it happen.

Can anyone help? Does anyone know PHP and remember how to code sites without CSS? Are there any graphic designers who'd like to help us?

Please, I know if we can get Underground Arcade up, running, and open for anyone interested in developing Amiga games, or wanting to learn how, we'll have a much better chance of seeing some great new software for the Amiga this year and in coming years.

[utri007]

eab.abime.net has some game devlopemet, like new version of eye of the beholder I & II

Should you look at there?

[Cammy]

Thanks, you've been a great help!

[utri007]

Your wellcome

This kind of threads turn quite often so unrealistic bullshit that it makes me puke.

But native Netsurf with MUI gui would be really usefull for all of us and more important it would be realistic project.

[Dandy]

Religion: Ignoring science since the dawn of time.

Sorry for going slightly off-topic, but appearently you're not aware of all scietific works.

I recommend to read the books of the German physician Burkhard Heim - especially "Postmortale Zustände" (Postmortem States).

In case you don't speak German, you can google for "Burkhard Heim", "EHT" (Enhanced Heim Theory", or just look here:

http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/burkhard-heim.htm
http://www.heim-theory.com/Contents/contents.html
http://www.heim-theory.org/tiki-index.php?page=Homepage
http://www.hpcc-space.de/publications/index.html   (leads to more links)
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4385

[kolla]

I am also experimenting with reassembling AmigaOS 3.9 libraries for 020+ with ADis. I can usually speed up and save a few k per library.

Can do you it the other way around as well?
My minimig craves for it. :hammer:

[koshman]

Another classic user here. As for the browser I actually think that Netsurf is good (and fast) enough on 060, but of course a more optimized version would be welcome.

As for games, let's stay 2D, please E.g. I love the new GBA/NDS Castlevania games, they look awesome and a similar game in Highres Laced should be doable on 030. Generally, GBA and NDS are good sources of inspiration on fresh new 2D gaming experiences. SRPGs and turn-based strategy games in general are not exactly fresh, but definitely possible on Amiga in higher res. HOMAM type game for Amiga would be nice, something like Viewtiful Joe maybe, Myst-like puzzle/adventure games, Puzzle Quest, Zombie Driver (a little obscure personal favourite ), Little Big Planet - all recent games that should be possible on mid-specced Amigas.

@ scuzz. Don't you write on your website that your nick is in fact inspired by SCSI?

EDIT: I'd love an up-to-date version of ScummVM capable of playing Grim Fandango, MI3, 4 ....

[scuzzb494]

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@ scuzz. Don't you write on your website that your nick is in fact inspired by SCSI?

EDIT: I'd love an up-to-date version of ScummVM capable of playing Grim Fandango, MI3, 4 ....

Kinda. I was just being totally honest in the previous post where the name originally came from. I certainly was influenced in keeping the name as I delved deeper into the wonders of SCSI. And more and more folk started to relate the name as something to do with SCSI so I kinda just allowed that to be the given reason. There is no doubt that SCSI for me is a marvel and I have found it to be the way forward on generally all my Amigas. So easy to set up and expand the Amiga. Love it to death.... I do have a private page which explains  the origins. But for those that want the association to be to do with SCSI I have no problem in adopting that either.

Was quite strange meeting a long standing Amiga friend last week, who I have communicated with for many years as scuzz, for me to introduce myself by my real name. He still kept calling me scuzz...

Happy days.

me

[koshman]

Ok

[kolla]

Things I'd like to see...
* OS 1.0 - OS 3.9 available as public domain, including sources if available
* Freedom to create and distribute upgraded custom kickstarts for all Amigas, that support large disks, partitions and filesystems
* Freedom to rebuild components of OS 3.5+ for 68000, and being able to distribute the binaries, and sources, without being witch-hunted for it
* Freedom to rebuild components of OS 1.0-3.9 to 020+ and whatever, and being able to distribute the binaries and sources, without being witch-hunted for it

And more specifically:
* kingcon-handler replacement that is also romable for 68000
* Preference programs for OS 3.9 that dont rely on Reaction toolkit, or...
* Reaction toolkit rebuildt for 68000 as well (it boils down to just a few binaries AFAIK)
* HAM checkmark option in SYS:Prefs/ScreenMode for modes that support it (like MUIScrMode has)
* ROMable env-handler (it is supposedly better than HappyENV, which is ROMable)
* An improved picture.datatype for 68000-68060 that is dedicated for use on native chipsets

[fishy_fiz]

It seems one of the common thoughts is a more modernised browser, and an amigafied netsurf really does seem to be the most realistic option. My only concern with that is so far it does look a little heavy. As much as I'd prefer efforts to focus on upgraded machines I think targetting something like an '030 with 16 or 32 meg fast as a minimum spec for software to be useful is a better idea than only having something usable on '060. Ive never really looked into netsurf sources, but how much can it be speeded up ? current os3.x uses sdl if Im not mistaken, both for input and gfx ? While I appreciate the efforts by the os3.x maintainer, it's still not really an option for the majority of classic users, and has a little work to be done yet. Personally Im all for supporting a bounty based on netsurf, but in my opinion there would have to be a fairly big speed up for it to be the right choice. Does anyone else have any broswers they know of that may be viable ? There's always OWB, but that's heavier again. And Im I right in assuming a browser might be one of the first 68k bounties to try ?
Please keep any thoughts and ideas coming. Im eager to get something started, but arent 100% sure where to start yet.

[utri007]

Netsurf run well with quite old RiscOS machines, compared to about 030

[save2600]

Im eager to get something started, but arent 100% sure where to start yet.

Yes, you're observations are right about a modern web browser. IMO - that should be the most important place to start for anyone looking to do anything productive with OS3.x.

[Gulliver]

The problem with Netsurf is that the current Amiga port is really bloated, it requires 128Mb of ram and may work with 64MB. The original, still being developed RiscOS version only requires 16MB. So either RiscOS is much better than AmigaOS, or the port simply sucks.
Bottomline, I would choose another browser to work on. I have said it sometime ago, there is an excellent candidate that will work with 68000 and a few MB of fastmem. It is opensource, and is working with CSS. It has a small group of developers coding on it.
It is called HighWire, and is an Atari application.


http://highwire.atari-users.net/

[utri007]

Gulliver: SDL sucks it works nice with 64mb memory. I ques that 128mb is for UEA users whom want to watch videos etc from youtube