Will there every be another computer like the amiga?

[koaftder]

The G4 line of products from Apple are overall, very well built. Good quality hardware that's sure to survive at least another 10 years. I have one G3 power mac that was built in '98 and it's been running my SVN repos at home for the past 4 years.

[paolone]

I was wondering, with the multitude of people turning the ps3 into a full computer and many other things going on in the world of technology, gaming and entertainment...
 
Will there ever be a computer like the amiga again?

Yes, there is. It's the eeePC. Or also the Apire One. Netbooks in general.

The netbook is the nearest thing to an Amiga 500 (with the ION ones being the new A1200s) in modern computing. It's little, it's cheap, it's uderpowered (if compared to mainstream desktop PCs), but it can fullfit all the current needs of lightness, transport, communications over the air and the Internet, as like as the A500 did longa ago for games and home computing. And, since I run Icaros Desktop on my Aspire One, it's even more similar to my old Amiga.

[kolla]

Pfft that machine would not be able to even display 1% of the visual output that the PS3 produces when playing Killzone 2 sorry.

And what does that have to do with running OS4 on a PS3? Nothing.

As an OS engine the CELL is not ideal but as a package the PS3 is seriously powerful, just to display one gorgeous frame requires 8 overlaid renders to be combined in realtime @ 60FPS.

Well, that's not just due to the CPU, and as you know, Sony does not allow anyone else to fully play with the rest of the hardware. Making good use of the SPUs is not easily done either.

[dreamcast270mhz]

Yeah, it sucks they lock the GPU. Maybe a hack will arise to correct this.

As for my G4 iBook, my powermac runs circles around it, but my xbox 1, at several times weaker than a Cell, could render more graphics in Linux because the GPU can be used.


@Paolone

No, sorry it isn't anything like it. I've used AROS and since my first try i have stayed FAR away, its so unpolished. Also, any X86 HW available is nothing close to an Amiga, nowadays, taht belongs to the SAM and G4 macs, since MOS has better compatibility than OS4 or AROS.

[persia]

Netbooks are cr@p, it's the iPad and all the iPad clones that it will inspire that are the real Amiga 500s..

[desiv]

Netbooks are cr@p, it's the iPad and all the iPad clones that it will inspire that are the real Amiga 500s..

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
Thanx for that...

desiv

[Hammer]

I missed out on the Amiga days, as I was growing up on the ignorant PC platform. The A-EON will be great (if it can sell) and it isn't a 74XX (G4) Chip as thats not in the POWERISA 2.04. What is are: Titan, PWRficient, 970(G5)

I think the PWRficient will be the one to be in the A-EON as it is rarely seen in the wild (Since PA Semi was snapped up).

As for the OP's question, no, the Amiga cannot exist as it did in the 80's, because of Micro$haft and Steve Jobs turning into a Pr!ck for going intel (The PA-6T outperformed the Core Duo) but I forgive him, but I won't buy a Macbook until he revives the names: PowerMac, Powerbook, iBook. Because Mac Pro, MAcbook (Pro) suck compared to it.

During Core Duo era, PA-6T wasn't available. Intel Core Duo was quickly replaced by Intel Core 2.
 

I also love my G4 mac because I delight in OSX 5 working so well while SpamDows CEMENT (Win CE, ME, NT) run unusably in VPC and Q. And at least Apple's minimum specs for each OS X make sure the machine can run OS X decently.

As for Dammy, the PPC platform has just as much potential as the day the 601 was unveiled, but the higher cost and x86 BS being spread ruined its chances,

Apparently, IBM PowerPC 970 was not price competitive against AMD Athlon 64.

 the new i7 still can't do what a 603 can (Run in Big Endian, produce good Power-to-watt ratios)
.)

WTF is this? LOL at your "Power-to-watt" ratios.

If the PS3 was turned into a home computer with a custom Linux running windows under an emu layer, people wouldn't know its PPC and stuff. Also, tell me when an x86 can run an x64 application, because PPCs can run 64bits if needed (at a slight drop in performance.)

X64 = X86-64 i.e. part of X86 family. Pray and tell if your G4 can run 64bit OS and Apps.

Care for rematch?

[gertsy]

There will never be another Amiga.  
There will never be another C64, or ZX Spectrum, ZX81 or ZX80.
The genesys of classic affordable home computing was over once 8 bit was swamped by the 16 and 32 bit tsunami. The Amiga rode the crest of the breaking wave.
Flotsum and Jetsum is all that's left now.  How depressing.
The king is dead, long live the king!

[Hammer]

Netbooks are cr@p, it's the iPad and all the iPad clones that it will inspire that are the real Amiga 500s..

Netbooks are also tablet PCs e.g. ASUS EeePC T91.

[Amiga_Nut]

And what does that have to do with running OS4 on a PS3? Nothing.

 Well, that's not just due to the CPU, and as you know, Sony does not allow anyone else to fully play with the rest of the hardware. Making good use of the SPUs is not easily done either.

Your G3 is just a box that runs applications, if you just want a general purpose machine even a P3 1.2ghz is enough. The point was the Amiga 1000 was light years ahead of the competition in every way including fast moving arcade quality graphics. Ditto for PS3/360 and therefore a new 'Amiga' would have to be a computer that for $100 more could replicate those quality graphics AND be superior at general computing tasks like rendering 3D graphics or transcoding Blurays to MKV etc etc.

To get similar graphics in a PC (or Mac) requires a $200 graphics card alone...now you see the point about your G3 being irrelevant to the discussion?

[Amiga_Nut]

Netbooks are also tablet PCs e.g. ASUS EeePC T91.

Netbooks  are technically crap yes, the Intel Atom is nothing more than a mobile P3 core with minor improvements, iPad is even worse...just a yuppie toy without a full blown OS and tied to the stupid apps store *kerching*

[dreamcast270mhz]

@Hammer

That was my blunder, okay. I misunderstood the sentence: "Note that a 64-bit PowerPC application which does not need 64-bit math will run slightly slower than if it were compiled in 32-bit mode. This is because 64-bit pointers and longs consume twice as much memory as their 32-bit counterparts, so the CPU cache will be able to hold less data and memory accesses will be more frequent"

From wikipedia.org

My fault there, but are any of the x64 CPUs fully compatible with their 32-bit counterparts? No, try running any of the 486 apps on an i7 with 7 64-bit. Get back to me if you get it to run?

I can see this is becoming a debate about whether x86 or PPC is the way to go.

@Proponents of x86

It will never happen, I've already made up my mind and I will not go back to intel for a while, probably never. If x86 leads the Amiga, you can expect me and several others to leave, because it will no longer be an Amiga.

The closest relative of the Amigas are the PPC macs, the SAM 440 and the upcoming A-EON.

Good Day!

[ElPolloDiabl]

@Dreamcast
I run MacOS 9 on an emulator. Amiga on an Emulator and Windows 95 on virtual PC. All on a Windows XP 2.8Ghz Athlon X2 System. If the emulator is good it doesn't matter what 'engine' is under the hood. If PowerPCs were dirt cheap I would use that.
Once you get a taste of some serious horsepower and as long as bloatware doesn't swallow half of it, you won't look back.
You still need a two pronged attack from hardware and software... if one is lacking people will get fed up.

[persia]

Yep, Microsoft doublespeak, they've been delaying their 64 bit implementation for so long they decided to rename the chip.  Any "x64" is still an X86.  

What I'm interested in is Intel's new i7, with six cores of processing goodness.  OS X and Linux must fly on these machines.

The Power architecture doesn't have the money behind it that intel and AMD have.  Yeah there's IBM but how many servers can you sell to dump money into a processor.  I suspect that IBM will move to intel in the next year or two.  They may even re-enter the PC market when their no competition agreement ends with Lenovo...

During Core Duo era, PA-6T wasn't available. X64 = X86-64 i.e. part of X86 family. Pray and tell if your G4 can run 64bit OS and Apps.

Care for rematch?

[kolla]

Your G3 is just a box that runs applications, if you just want a general purpose machine even a P3 1.2ghz is enough. The point was the Amiga 1000 was light years ahead of the competition in every way including fast moving arcade quality graphics. Ditto for PS3/360 and therefore a new 'Amiga' would have to be a computer that for $100 more could replicate those quality graphics AND be superior at general computing tasks like rendering 3D graphics or transcoding Blurays to MKV etc etc.

To get similar graphics in a PC (or Mac) requires a $200 graphics card alone...now you see the point about your G3 being irrelevant to the discussion?

I have no idea what you're talking about.
The only G3 I have is the Pegasos1.

Also it is rather annoying that people keep changing the "the point" all the time.

[bloodline]

My fault there, but are any of the x64 CPUs fully compatible with their 32-bit counterparts? No, try running any of the 486 apps on an i7 with 7 64-bit. Get back to me if you get it to run?

Of course 486 software runs on the new x64 (or x86-64 depending which name you prefer)... Hell, all modern x86 chips support long mode (the 64bit mode we are talking about)... Scary, bu they will still even run software written for the 8088, as used in the original IBM PC!!!

Please do some research BEFORE you make ignorant posts about technical issues...