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minimig/replay/natami
« on: February 28, 2010, 03:15:07 PM »
Just a stupid question, but am I the only one who thinks that there will be room for all of the three ?

They are heading for different uses, and I also noticed that most people have more than one amiga at home ;-)

So, what is the bashing of the "others" all the time ?

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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2010, 04:16:24 PM »
I want a replacement for an A1200 so I'm only going to fork out according to my needs. If the Natami is hot sh*t hopefully I can get that too.
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 05:02:52 PM »
Well at the moment the most exciting thing out there as far as I'm concerned, and the one currently destined for my money, is the AGA Mini Mig project. Natami seems to be so slow I'm no longer even holding my breath on it. I hope I'm wrong, but all they seem to do is add to the spec and talk on the forum they setup, which I think was I mistake in itself based on everyone wanting more and more added to it.

What's the replay project?
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 05:28:44 PM »
The AGA minimig project looks pretty slick.

Im hopeful for Natami but its very much a "it'll be there when its there". I do wish there were more "proof of concept" stuff though
 

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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 05:35:04 PM »
Room for all three? They all look the same from my point of view. Amiga as firmware... SOPC. Rather than being separate projects, they should combine them all into a central repository so they can all work together.

If we can do that, I foresee 3 board designs...

A full ATX board, complete with a PCIe slot, PCI slots and maybe even a zorro II/III slot or two.

A miniITX board with just the essentials, since that seems to be the "in thing."

And the holy grail, a replacement motherboard for a commonly found used laptop. Probably one of the Dells.
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 06:40:39 PM »
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What's the replay project?


Hardware MiniMig AGA (and more) will run on, so two of the three in topic here are the same.
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 07:17:21 PM »
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Hardware MiniMig AGA (and more) will run on, so two of the three in topic here are the same.


Did I mixed it up ?

minimig : the original Dennis van Weeren Minig mit with a real mc68k and FPGA
replay : minimig AGA, aka fpgaarcade, : http://www.fpgaarcade.com
natami : http://www.natami.de

Three different projects ?

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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 07:56:37 PM »
The FPGA Arcade is just a new version of the MiniMig with a bigger FPGA and more expandability.  The FPGA code running on it is essentially the same with a few perks added (such as AGA implementation).  The original MiniMig is made obsolete by this board so I wouldn't call it a separate project.  It's more like a sequel to the original MiniMig.

The Natami team offered to let the MiniMig/FPGA Arcade team use code from the 68050 subproject but I don't know if the closed-source license scared the MiniMig/FPGA Arcade developers off or what the deal is there.

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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 08:31:15 PM »
I would say the Replay is a lot more than just a new version of the Minimig, it is supposed to implement alot more than just an amiga :)
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 08:35:28 PM »
There is definitely room for all three of these projects. I don't get the NatAmi bashing, they're making steady progress.

Hats off the FPGA guys. I got a cyclone III dev kit in the mail the other day, it took me a good 12 hours to get an led to blink, lol. I really don't know what I'm doing and haven't made much progress even after reading a dozen VHDL tutorials. I've ordered a Spartan 3E dev board and a VHDL training kit, waiting for that to come in the mail.
 

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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 10:21:39 PM »
Quote from: mumule;545556
Did I mixed it up ?

minimig : the original Dennis van Weeren Minig mit with a real mc68k and FPGA
replay : minimig AGA, aka fpgaarcade, : http://www.fpgaarcade.com
natami : http://www.natami.de

Three different projects ?

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There are actually four projects if you count CloneA ;)

If the FPGA Arcade delivers, then yes the old MiniMig project will be superseded.  

There has not been any news on the (supposedly completed) CloneA project for years now so who knows on that front?

Natami continues to tick along slowly....

My money at this point would be on the FPGA Arcade getting to market.  

What I would personally like to see is a modern hardware implementation of the AGA chipset with some of the extra's already discussed in the FPGA Arcade thread :)
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 12:01:12 AM »
Quote from: mumule;545556
Did I mixed it up ?

minimig : the original Dennis van Weeren Minig mit with a real mc68k and FPGA
replay : minimig AGA, aka fpgaarcade, : http://www.fpgaarcade.com
natami : http://www.natami.de

Three different projects ?

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That looks about right.
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 12:02:38 AM »
Quote from: NovaCoder;545582
There are actually four projects if you count CloneA ;)

If the FPGA Arcade delivers, then yes the old MiniMig project will be superseded.  

There has not been any news on the (supposedly completed) CloneA project for years now so who knows on that front?

Natami continues to tick along slowly....

My money at this point would be on the FPGA Arcade to getting to market.  

What I would personally like to see is a modern hardware implementation of the AGA chipset with some of the extra's already discussed in the FPGA Arcade thread :)


Didnt MikeJ (Right person ?) say that the first FPGAArcade boards go to production, like Today or something ?
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 12:31:23 AM »
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Didnt MikeJ (Right person ?) say that the first FPGAArcade boards go to production, like Today or something ?



That's why I said my money would be on the FPGA Arcade getting to market ;)
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Re: minimig/replay/natami
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2010, 01:30:19 AM »
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The AGA minimig project looks pretty slick.

Im hopeful for Natami but its very much a "it'll be there when its there". I do wish there were more "proof of concept" stuff though


The fact that Minimig/CloneA/FPGArcade exist is a "proof of concept" for NATAMI.

Infact the FPGArcade board might be able to be used to test the N050 cpu that the NATAMI team are designing.

One hand can wash the other with these projects...