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So what is XMOS good for?
« on: February 22, 2010, 01:21:30 AM »
What does having it on board do for the AmigaONe machine?  So far all I know is that it's integer only and you could fry your motherboard if you hook power up to it wrong.  While those maybe considered selling points, what else does it do?
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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2010, 01:34:15 AM »
Drives up price.

Makes it look like they are making unique hardware that would be worth the cost.

Makes them look busy.
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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 01:45:44 AM »
I couldnt agree more!
 

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 01:48:47 AM »
C'mon guys, at least give some developers a chance to play with it before writing it off as useless.
 

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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 02:41:13 AM »
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C'mon guys, at least give some developers a chance to play with it before writing it off as useless.


How much RAM does it have?  64K?
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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 03:25:28 AM »
Not useless, merely uselessly attached to the X1000.

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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2010, 03:58:01 AM »
I'm thinking of porting the compiler over to AROS, just to be a dick, just so AROS users can brag that they got to play with the cheap XMOS dev kits first without paying 2,000 for the privilege of having the uber l33t new hyperion OS/mobo combo and still have to compile their junk on a mac or pc.

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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2010, 04:03:15 AM »
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How much RAM does it have?  64K?


64k per core shared between the hardware threads. The XS1-L1 on the x1000 is a single core chip.
 

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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2010, 04:14:54 AM »
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How much RAM does it have?  64K?


640k ought to be enough... ;)
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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2010, 04:27:01 AM »
Its definitely good for looking busy, and it gives you the ability to say your computer uses "custom chips" when all your doing is taking an off the shelf microcontroller and adding it to your substandard, slow, overpriced,outdated before its even sold power pc motherboard.
 
Its the basic equivelant of attaching a basic stamp microcontroller to a pc motherboard with velcro, and then calling it a "revolutionary new computer".
 
I have no idea what these people are thinking. Port OS4 to x86 (or arm at least) or die. I'm beginning to think that amiga curse people talk about is true. Newsflash POWER PC is dead. You can add all the off the shelf components you want to it, but its still dead, dead dead at its core...
 
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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2010, 07:16:51 AM »
Perhaps the xmos can do the akiko stuff! :hammer:
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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2010, 08:18:27 AM »
What's all this negativity about? Puzzles me....
How come people know the price already before it's announced? How come people already know the board will be underpowered? How come people already know the XMOS chip is useless? I mean, all these could indeed be true, but - well - they also could be false assumptions. So, back to my original point, why all this negativity? *scratches head*
 

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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2010, 08:32:01 AM »
XMOS reminds me of the transputer board made by a company called US Cybernetics in the early nineties. I may be wrong about the name of the company.
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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2010, 08:32:12 AM »
Yes my post sounds negative, but its the truth. Anyone can go read what this "custom chip" does and also, anyone can buy it off the shelf.
 
Personally, I think its a bold faced lie to make announcements saying your making a new computer that uses custom chips, when your just using an off the shelf component anyone can buy.
 
Of course it will be underpowered, power pc is dead, dead chips don't get
any faster, its not an assumption, its just reality.
 
Of course it will be too expensive, look at what they sell now, an 800$ 733mhz computer motherboard. Do you think they will charge less for
a higher powered motherboard? after all, it will include custom chips :)
 
I wish the best for them but this computer was dead before it was ever even sold. Can you say FLOP?
 
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Re: So what is XMOS good for?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2010, 11:12:59 AM »
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How come people already know the board will be underpowered? How come people already know the XMOS chip is useless?


I've been working with these chips for months. It's a neat little micro controller with cool architecture but it doesn't bring anything to the table on a desktop machine. There's nothing it can do that isn't better suited to doing on the host processor.



I'm not just trolling here, I'm actually using these things in projects.