What is the real power of Akiko chip in cd32 ?

[steveuk]

Yep I agree but I think Wolfy is possible

Hi Nova
I have been following this thread and wondered why Doom was extremely playable on Jaguar as that was only 2MB. I know Jag had 26mhz processor and CD32 14mhz - however i have played Doom Attack on CD32+4mb and it plays ok.

I am of course not a programmer or developer so my knowledge is limited - is it because it was developed by John Romero himself especially for Jaguar? Could a hacked down version by do-able on CD32 even if it has less colours or stripped down Graphics?

Would you be willing of having a crack at this if i paid you for it?

Thanks
Steve
ps> Wolf being made i believe at the moment on Jag by the same guy that did catacomb 3d.

[guest11527]

Get off your high horse?
How about grow up and realize some people actually use their computers for something productive?

While I tend agree, let's be completely frank about it: What productive use is an Amiga good for these days anyhow? (-; Or to put this in other terms: While I love to play with software and programs, would you call the net result "productive", or is it just that: "Playing with obsolete software?".

I do not know the answer, but I'm a bit afraid of what it might be. (-:

[giZmo350]

Because of the Amiga's versatility, it's damn cool that users can pick and choose how they use their machines, spend their money and "waste" their time with them! Personally, I never feel guilty spending hours playing with them! I can never get my fill of "technical" info from the forums! Just wish I had more time to spend with them! @TR... hope you (& OM + other Miggy devouts here) never leave the scene or get tired of your devotion to the platform! I still have sooooo much to learn about my Blizz 060 card! BTW, Merry Christmas all!

[kolla]

The SX32 was bought for running Linux, believe it or not. It was in 1996 or 1997, and for a period it was used for OpenBSD too.

[Iggy]

The SX32 was bought for running Linux, believe it or not. It was in 1996 or 1997, and for a period it was used for OpenBSD too.

Make sense to me, although I would prefer NetBSD.

[psxphill]

While I tend agree, let's be completely frank about it: What productive use is an Amiga good for these days anyhow? (-; Or to put this in other terms: While I love to play with software and programs, would you call the net result "productive", or is it just that: "Playing with obsolete software?".

You can be productive using obsolete software, how efficient you are would be the real test.

Some people will ignore that they could be more efficient using a pc or a tablet, and it would be cheaper. I'm sure there are some things you can use an Amiga for that doesn't impact your efficiency, but I gave in when Windows XP came out. I have plenty of retro computers and consoles that I mess around with still.

[Iggy]

You can be productive using obsolete software, how efficient you are would be the real test.

Some people will ignore that they could be more efficient using a pc or a tablet, and it would be cheaper. I'm sure there are some things you can use an Amiga for that doesn't impact your efficiency, but I gave in when Windows XP came out. I have plenty of retro computers and consoles that I mess around with still.

You soldiered on a lot longer than I did.
But there are still a few things an Amiga can do adequately.
For instance, I've never seen the need for heavy hitting power to do basic text editing or word processing, just good software.
Not everything requires high performance systems.

[psxphill]

You soldiered on a lot longer than I did.
But there are still a few things an Amiga can do adequately.
For instance, I've never seen the need for heavy hitting power to do basic text editing or word processing, just good software.
Not everything requires high performance systems.

I agree with text editing, a writer who just needs to send off some ascii text once a year is unlikely to notice any major impact to their efficiency. Although getting that text off your Amiga is going to need CrossDOS/USB/Ethernet & CrossDOS onto a floppy is likely to be a problem for the receiver.

I think you'd be better off with a PC for "word processing" if you include what used to be referred to as DTP (Desktop Publishing).

In the very unlikely event that you've got software that improves your efficiency over any other platform then WinUAE gives you the best of both worlds.

[Iggy]

I agree with text editing, a writer who just needs to send off some ascii text once a year is unlikely to notice any major impact to their efficiency. Although getting that text off your Amiga is going to need CrossDOS/USB/Ethernet & CrossDOS onto a floppy is likely to be a problem for the receiver.

I think you'd be better off with a PC for "word processing" if you include what used to be referred to as DTP (Desktop Publishing).

In the very unlikely event that you've got software that improves your efficiency over any other platform then WinUAE gives you the best of both worlds.

"software that improves your efficiency over any other platform"

I try not to be too critical on that point, or I'd keep falling back to Windows, leaving my Android and Linux hardware unused as well as my Amiga related systems.
Besides, the line between basic text editing and word processing can get pretty fuzzy, its a matter of how much formatting power you need.

[psxphill]

I try not to be too critical on that point, or I'd keep falling back to Windows, leaving my Android and Linux hardware unused as well as my Amiga related systems.
Besides, the line between basic text editing and word processing can get pretty fuzzy, its a matter of how much formatting power you need.

I would rather be brutally honest and aim for efficiency when I'm trying to be productive and then use the spare time to do things I enjoy with other hardware.

[kolla]

Make sense to me, although I would prefer NetBSD.

At the time, OpenBSD was to be considered a NetBSD distro, the kernel was identical on m68k

[kolla]

So, last night, since I was playing around with MuTools anyways, I also downloaded GloomC2P, here goes...



Minne: > timec2p c2p/akiko_1 0
c2p/akiko_1
A chunky to planar routine by Peter McGavin. REQUIRES AKIKO CHIP, e.g, as in CD32. Supports 6/8 bitplane, single/double width pixels.

Screen = 320x200, Window = 256x180
Depth = 8, Chunky at $178ab530

Times in microseconds:
    13478    13534    13117    13365    13361    13764    13403    13320
    13223    13441    13423    13176    13389    13274    13525    13630
    13446    13368    13317    13663    13362    13257    13376    13309
    13503    13093    13360    13362    13630    13527    13454    13255

Mean time =     13390 microseconds (excluding first 2 frames)




Minne: > timec2p c2p/akiko_1 1
c2p/akiko_1
A chunky to planar routine by Peter McGavin. REQUIRES AKIKO CHIP, e.g, as in CD32. Supports 6/8 bitplane, single/double width pixels.

Screen = 320x200, Window = 256x180
Depth = 6, Chunky at $178ab530

Times in microseconds:
    10836    11237    11096    11129    10986    11137    11010    11093
    11032    11308    10984    11270    11114    11058    10987    11105
    11027    11423    11118    10808    11122    11335    11000    10840
    11124    11382    10981    10832    11244    11268    10991    10880

Mean time =     11089 microseconds (excluding first 2 frames)



Minne: > timec2p c2p/akiko_1 2
c2p/akiko_1
A chunky to planar routine by Peter McGavin. REQUIRES AKIKO CHIP, e.g, as in CD32. Supports 6/8 bitplane, single/double width pixels.

Screen = 320x200, Window = 256x180
Depth = 8, Chunky at $178ab530

Times in microseconds:
    12742    12604    12524    12763    12887    12921    13128    13212
    13224    13190    12951    13142    12808    12553    12619    12487
    12473    12480    12729    12526    12759    12818    13045    13069
    13134    13275    13164    13178    13099    12896    13023    12896

Mean time =     12899 microseconds (excluding first 2 frames)




Minne: > timec2p c2p/akiko_1 3
c2p/akiko_1
A chunky to planar routine by Peter McGavin. REQUIRES AKIKO CHIP, e.g, as in CD32. Supports 6/8 bitplane, single/double width pixels.

Screen = 320x200, Window = 256x180
Depth = 6, Chunky at $178ab530

Times in microseconds:
     9713     9821     9637     9456     9852     9663     9724     9706
     9610     9717     9896    10041     9646     9700     9675     9610
     9700     9710     9699     9708     9573     9451     9765     9711
     9601     9704     9686     9773     9459     9878     9700     9606

Mean time =      9689 microseconds (excluding first 2 frames)

[kolla]

You can be productive using obsolete software, how efficient you are would be the real test.

Damn right. For example, I always keep FS-UAE around on my systems because of Deluxe Paint - it is a program I know how to use and how to get the results I want, trying to get used to so called modern paint programs just leaves me frustrated.

What I use the CD32/SX32 mostly for these days falls under tinkering, which I find quite satisfying in a therapeutic kind of way. I am just done replacing all spinning IDE drives in all systems with either SD-adapters or mSATA adapters, and well on my way to build RaspberryPi systems inside all the Amiga computers, to provide various services (wifi, 464XLAT, resolver, ntp, smb), so for the SX32 I plan to build in a PlipBox, that will be plugged directly into a RPi mounted on the 2.5" disk area of the SX32, which is empty after I replaced IDE drive with an SD adapter and card

[agami]

It's true power lies in its ability to generate forum discussions 23 years after it was released.  

[kolla]

It's true power lies in its ability to generate forum discussions 23 years after it was released.  

Hah, yes. People still think it hides magic powers :laughing:

[kolla]

So, now the numbers are there for a 030@50MHz + akiko and everyone is totally unimpressed. Yeah, that's what I thought, lol