Should I wait for Indivision?

[mongo]

I'd wait; plus there's been some noise over on the English Amiga Board about writing a p96 driver and using the Indy as a straight up video card as well as scandoubler (that was my understanding, anyway).

So yeah, Indy FTW.

You can do that with an Indivision ECS, but not an Indivision AGA.

[B00tDisk]

You can do that with an Indivision ECS, but not an Indivision AGA.

Ahh...thank you for that clarification, grasshopper.  I did not know.

(Still that brings the awesomeness of the ECS machine to the forefront, no? )

[Kronos]

Lets say you have a picasso 2 card and you're feeding the vga back into flicker fixer.  you cannot do that with the scandoubler from australia (no vga input).
mind you we're getting off tangent because few people have a1200+graphics card (unless they towerize).

Your not just getting out on a tangent, you are posting complete nonsense ...

There is absolutly NO flickerfixer or scandoubler that allows a VGA-signal to be feeded in.

On the other side there are plenty GFX-cards that have an extra input allwoing you to feed the FF's output into GFX-card. Well not really into the GFX-card as it will just route them over some relais directly to the cards VGA-out.

The glorious exception is the Picasso4 which has a inbuild FF that will use the actual VGA-logic on the card.

[stefcep2]

You can do that with an Indivision ECS, but not an Indivision AGA.

Do what exactly?

[save2600]

Your not just getting out on a tangent, you are posting complete nonsense ...

There is absolutly NO flickerfixer or scandoubler that allows a VGA-signal to be feeded in.

Perhaps he was thinking about the P2 accepting a VGA signal and passing it through as the benefit would be a single monitor solution? In a goofy, not paying too much attention to the wording (something you learn to do on the 'Net: reading for content, not accuracy) round-a-bout way, that's how I took it anyway.  :lol:

[save2600]

Do what exactly?

Someone was talking about the ECS version of Indivision being able to perform double-duty as a dedicated "video card" (using P96 or some kind of driver) and a FF/SD. I've never heard of that and would kinda be surprised if that capability is built into it somehow. BUT...

Only thing I know of that the ECS version can do over the AGA is be piggybacked with another ECS Indivision (one on top of the other) for the benefit of having an extended Workbench, dual monitor type setup.

[rkauer]

The Indivision ECS emulates the Graffiti directly.

[save2600]

Cool! I've heard of this device. Now... with that many colors possible from the ECS architecture - what programs or games would be designed to take advantage of it? I always thought it enhanced the video output, not replaced it.

Is this a stepping stone to having AGA emulation on ECS machines finally? And how come this Graffiti business wasn't spoken about near the time and shortly after its release?

[omnicron10]

Also the Indivision ECS has direct memory access now with the new firmware.  You can do up to 1024x768 true 12 bit with a 15/16 bit internal memory setup.  They have a picture viewer that supports this mode.  A3000 might work well with this but I doubt a simple 68000 would be very fast.  

Here is a previous thread on the feature.  

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51354&highlight=indivision

Here is a brief overview again.

following features:

- 8-bit, 15 bit, 16 bit chunky pixel modes (15 bit & 16 bits are converted) to 12 bits.
- Resolution from 320x200 to 1024x768.
- Video memory can be directly described by DMA chipset (up to 7,15 MB / s)!
- Sprite for hardware cursor.
- Addressable storage for multiple video image buffer.
- Dual screen on two Indivision ECS.

Also it looks like a new ECS mode 800x600 with 16 colors is in the works..
Pretty cool.  I hope something good comes from it.

[terminator4]

save2600: thank you for correcting my suggestion.
I had a long day, made a mistake and have not posted on this site for long time.  Kronos has no life and instead of calling someone's content nonsense should have realized or corrected it.  Anyway, why do people bash each other?  This is very common in Amiga community: internal fighting.
My picasso 2 has Flicker fixer input and output where monitor gets its signal.  Thats the reason why you may want to get indivision flicker fixer.  I used the Cadwallen adapter and it works fine on AGA Amiga 4000 and ECS A2000.  Good on many resolutions, not perfect but for the low price, not a bad deal.

Perhaps he was thinking about the P2 accepting a VGA signal and passing it through as the benefit would be a single monitor solution? In a goofy, not paying too much attention to the wording (something you learn to do on the 'Net: reading for content, not accuracy) round-a-bout way, that's how I took it anyway.  :lol:

[Kronos]

> Kronos has no life

Doh, and there was me thinking that was common knowledge..

> and instead of calling someone's content nonsense should have realized or corrected it.

Well it was nonsense, and I did post the correct info, so what are you about ?

To be more precise, these pass-throughs on the GFX-card will switch any signal directly to your monitor. So if you have an old 15kHz compatible one you could just hook on the Amiga-RGB with no FF or SD inbetween. If your FF/SD works with your monitor it will still work after being passed through. So if that australian device works it would still work in combination with a GFX-card.

[Vanfanel]

I was suspecting that waiting for the Indivision would be the right approach, just wanted to run it by people that know more about all this stuff than I do. Thanks for all your input.

[koshman]

Btw, when is the next batch of Indivision AGA supposed to be ready?

[Crumb]

Get an Indivision, it will provide crystal clear quality. SVideo adapters show a more blurry image (something in quality between composite video and RGB/Scart). Just look at the icon fonts of the screenshots.

And let's not talk about degrading smooth 24bit gradients into horrible 15bit gradients... Indivision is the best flickerfixer. It even allows you to configure your video output to 50Hz if your monitor allows that to get perfect scrolling.

SVideo + vga box = blurry pictures + jerky scrolling + poor ocs-like gradients.

[koshman]

Btw, I recently found out that my earlier described problems with the SVIDEO->VGA solution (dark image, so so quality) are totally gone when I use it on A1200. Before I was using it on my A4000 and the IQ was acceptable, but nothing to write home about, plus it was unusually dark - no brightness/contrast/gamma correction settings I tried gave me a totally natural looking picture. So in the end I bought an Indivision for the A4000, which, of course, works fine.
I recently obtained an A1200 and tried the Amigamaniac's converter + VGA box combo on it and it works great! The picture is totally stable, the colours are correct and overall the quality of the output is very very close to the Indivision. I don't know if there's something wrong with my A4000, this is just heads up for anybody who might be thinking about trying the cheaper option on their A4000 that there possibly might be some issues. On A1200 I don't see a reason to buy Indivision if you're only after games/demos, the biggest (only) advantage is HighGFX.
Btw, HighGFX 1024x768 through Indivision on my A4000 is quite blurry. Is it normal? Considering the age of the host HW I guess it is I just wanna be sure. Thanks.

[J-Golden]

I know that several of the added perks of the Indivision ECS came after it was produced and what not.  Can we expect something of the same sort for the AGA version?