Should I wait for Indivision?

[Vanfanel]

I just recently acquired myself an A1200 (NTSC), and of course I'm most pleased with it. But I have no SC/FF as of yet. From what I've been reading, the Indivision AGA 1200 is the best to have, but we're all aware of the wait involved.

So my question is, is it worth it to wait, or are there other solutions that would be just as good?

[Matt_H]

It's the best solution, and it'll be similarly priced to other scandoublers you find on the second-hand market. And you need to wait for one of those to turn up as well

[Gulliver]

Well check this post:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=544023&postcount=16

It is an external scandoubler at less than half the cost of the Indivision. It is different, of course, and you can buy it now!

[save2600]

Some of those external boxes do not support the 24-bit AGA modes. I don't have any experience with the one from Australia, but the price sure is attractive. The one on eBay right now for $100 though (white box with screw adjustment), I used to have on my A1200. I didn't care for it at all. Too much, what looked to be, RF interference, vertical lines running through the screen AND that fringe distortion on the left had side of the screen seems to be "normal" with those particular FF/SD's.

Indivision is about the best modern solution I've seen yet. From what I've used, only the Phase 5 video card combo boards best that one, but you're going to pay more getting one of those into your system than Jens' product! :lol:

[Gulliver]

@save2600
Read the post!
You are getting confused by another device!
The solution i suggest costs 70 USD including shipping and supports 24 bit AGA modes. It is actually two devices connected together: an Amiga RGB to SVHS converter + a SVHS to VGA adapter, and none of them is white.

[save2600]

I wasn't referring to your solution at all Gulliver - just pointing out that one must be careful when choosing external FF/SD options for an A1200  

[Gulliver]

Yes, you are right, my fault.

[koshman]

I discussed this issue with Gulliver a few months ago and decided to take this route. The image quality over SVHS is really quite decent, but one problem I found out is that it is dark. I don't know how to describe it accurately, maybe the contrast is too high, but it is really noticeable. When you have dark scenes in games or demos details are hard to see and some color combinations are really difficult to make out (like brown on dark blue etc.). It is evident even on small things like the WHDload load screen where the normal pattern blurs into solid dark blue. The picture over Composite is much less sharp and the colours bleed, but the brightness is significantly more natural.
Maybe it is possible to tune it somehow, but I haven't been able to so far.
Also the SVHS->VGA box gets quite hot.
Does anybody else have these problems with SVHS?
Otherwise the solution works fine, but this annoys me a lot.

[nishtek]

Well check this post:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=544023&postcount=16

It is an external scandoubler at less than half the cost of the Indivision. It is different, of course, and you can buy it now!

It will get him by.  Long term solution is to get the indivision.
scandoubler vs flicker fixer.  big difference esp if you start going higher resolutions with graphics card.

[koshman]

If you start using a graphics card how does it increase your need of Indivision???

[terminator4]

If you start using a graphics card how does it increase your need of Indivision???

Lets say you have a picasso 2 card and you're feeding the vga back into flicker fixer.  you cannot do that with the scandoubler from australia (no vga input).
mind you we're getting off tangent because few people have a1200+graphics card (unless they towerize).

[B00tDisk]

I just recently acquired myself an A1200 (NTSC), and of course I'm most pleased with it. But I have no SC/FF as of yet. From what I've been reading, the Indivision AGA 1200 is the best to have, but we're all aware of the wait involved.

So my question is, is it worth it to wait, or are there other solutions that would be just as good?

I'd wait; plus there's been some noise over on the English Amiga Board about writing a p96 driver and using the Indy as a straight up video card as well as scandoubler (that was my understanding, anyway).

So yeah, Indy FTW.

[Gulliver]

I discussed this issue with Gulliver a few months ago and decided to take this route. The image quality over SVHS is really quite decent, but one problem I found out is that it is dark. I don't know how to describe it accurately, maybe the contrast is too high, but it is really noticeable. When you have dark scenes in games or demos details are hard to see and some color combinations are really difficult to make out (like brown on dark blue etc.). It is evident even on small things like the WHDload load screen where the normal pattern blurs into solid dark blue. The picture over Composite is much less sharp and the colours bleed, but the brightness is significantly more natural.
Maybe it is possible to tune it somehow, but I haven't been able to so far.
Also the SVHS->VGA box gets quite hot.
Does anybody else have these problems with SVHS?
Otherwise the solution works fine, but this annoys me a lot.

@koshman
I guess i am lucky enough to use a LCD monitor/TV in which i can adjust contrast brightness, and gamma thru an OSD menu, so i dont get that contrast issue. Anyway you can allways finetune the RGB>SVHS converter, it has a built in trimmer for adjusting the signal.
And yes the SVHS>VGA adapter gets incredibly hot, but i simply added a cheap PC cooler cutting a bit of the case of the device, and soldering the 2 proper supply wires, and voila, no heat problems.

@B00tDisk
Could you please point me out the thread of the Picasso96 driver for the Indivision on EAB? I must have missed it!

[Matt_H]

@koshman
I guess i am lucky enough to use a LCD monitor/TV in which i can adjust contrast brightness, and gamma thru an OSD menu, so i dont get that contrast issue.

That's not a failsafe guarantee for avoiding problems, though. My monitor's brightness/contrast are maxed out, and my screen is still incredibly dark. I think a lot of that is due to the multiple switchboxes my monitor goes through, but YMMV.

[mongo]

I'd wait; plus there's been some noise over on the English Amiga Board about writing a p96 driver and using the Indy as a straight up video card as well as scandoubler (that was my understanding, anyway).

So yeah, Indy FTW.

You can do that with an Indivision ECS, but not an Indivision AGA.