@hammer, I just about give up, I do not retract, but we are in different worlds. You look at current trends, the latest chip designs and OS projects and can find plenty of indication that MS has the world wrapped up forever.
I on the otherhand work with people thorougly frustrated with using MS computers, ordinary folks doing ordinary jobs, hobbyists and the like.
You see business as all-wise and knowning what it is doing and thus always picking the best path for development (at least in the main).
I see business run choatically, corruptly and increadibly unproductive, by people who for the most part have not got a clue about what goes on in their own organization. I see technological development as haphazard, driven often by hype and deception. I see waste and stupidity, where progress comes despite the the businesses running the show, not because of them.
You see development tools and sophistication.
I see gigantic mechanisms designed to crack a nut, and doing so badly.
You see innovative programmers doing marvellous things in great software ventures.
I see people mindlessly doing hack work on software designs destined never to be deployed.
In short, we inhabit two different planets - no wonder we find it difficult to discuss things.
The MS world is from my perspective a giagantic money-hungry enterprise that has very little to do with practical computing but a hell of a lot to do with money spinning.
I talk with some confidence about a wave of technological revolution already appearing, because I see how despite the magnificant imporvements in hardware, the fantastic potential of software, the stuff that is available to actually use is crap - moreover those forced to use it know it is crap and are not so dazzled by promises of things to come, when they come from the same organization that supplies the crap they work on everyday.
Hammer, no amount of statistics on sales, no figures on processing speeds, no promises of things just round the corner mean much to me when I see everyday that nine-tenths of the software problems which determine the way we use our computers derive from MSes business plans.
Amiga, as I said, is in a good position to lead a change, from the bottum up.
Greg Schofield