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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #59 from previous page: November 19, 2003, 06:51:30 AM »
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Microsoft has traditionally focused on giving their customers as many features as possible, considering security to be of secondary importance; only recently has security been identified as something important.  My hope is that the company will latch on to this as eagerly as it did to web browser dominance (since it's pretty obvious we'll all be using MS operating systems for a long time to come), making Windows (and other MS programs) as secure as MSIE is dominant.


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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2003, 06:52:32 AM »
by Karlos on 2003/11/19 0:00:41

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Which, IIRC is only at best sourcecode level compatible with 3.x for now

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OS4 and MOS will evlove their own way as will AROS, do doubt. I dont really forsee compatibility improving over time.


MOS and AROS share a fair amount of code so developement between the two should be fairly easy to do.  Any which way you slice it, AROS will continue to run on x86 or x86-64.  So there is indeed a x86 option for Amiga fans.

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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2003, 07:04:12 AM »
@hammer, I just about give up, I do not retract, but we are in different worlds. You look at current trends, the latest chip designs and OS projects and can find plenty of indication that MS has the world wrapped up forever.

I on the otherhand work with people thorougly frustrated with using MS computers, ordinary folks doing ordinary jobs, hobbyists and the like.

You see business as all-wise and knowning what it is doing and thus always picking the best path for development (at least in the main).

I see business run choatically, corruptly and increadibly unproductive, by people who for the most part have not got a clue about what goes on in their own organization. I see technological development as haphazard, driven often by hype and deception. I see waste and stupidity, where progress comes despite the  the businesses running the show, not because of them.

You see development tools and sophistication.

I see gigantic mechanisms designed to crack a nut, and doing so badly.

You see innovative programmers doing marvellous things in great software ventures.

I see people mindlessly doing hack work on software designs destined never to be deployed.

In short, we inhabit two different planets - no wonder we find it difficult to discuss things.

The MS world is from my perspective a giagantic money-hungry enterprise that has very little to do with practical computing but a hell of a lot to do with money spinning.

I talk with some confidence about a wave of technological revolution already appearing, because I see how despite the magnificant imporvements in hardware, the fantastic potential of software, the stuff that is available to actually use is crap - moreover those forced to use it know it is crap and are not so dazzled by promises of things to come, when they come from the same organization that supplies the crap they work on everyday.

Hammer, no amount of statistics on sales, no figures on processing speeds, no promises of things just round the corner mean much to me when I see everyday that nine-tenths of the software problems which determine the way we use our computers derive from MSes business plans.

Amiga, as I said, is in a good position to lead a change, from the bottum up.

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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2003, 07:09:06 AM »
@DonnyEMU the stuff you bring up XAML is very important.

However, I would like to move it away from MSes Longhorn. This is something which AMIGA needs now, but not I think in the way MS is implementing it.

I believe, AMIGA could quickly have a much better system in place, not because it would be more sophisticated but because it would be useful to users rather than exclusively developers such as Longhorn seems to be aimed.

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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2003, 07:15:04 AM »
by Wolfe on 2003/11/19 1:44:40

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nitially it will not be as cheap - no way, but that doesn't mean it will be DOA.


So outside of a thousand or so Amiga Inc fans, who is going to buy it?  It's a luxiary item in a time when IT folks are not comfortable spending that type of money on a novelity.

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he C3 chip is a wimp in comparison to any G4. Those who want small and performance are not even looking at Via's board. And the P4 on the MicroATX still sucks more power and generates a lot of "HEAT". The Linux/BSD guys will go the route that best supports their goals.


True, C3 isn't that great horsepower wise, M-Pentium is and as is Transmeta.  Yeah, you can go G4, but that puppy needs either a fan or heatpipe just like the AMD or Intel dekstop CPUs.  It really depends on what your planning to use it for.  Run AROS, the sub $100 VIA C3 mobos should be more then powerful enough.  Run a firewall, not a problem for sub $100 mobo to do.  Run Apache on Linux, shouldn't be much of a problem.  As I've said previously, the *nix guys wil go for something cheap and make it work nicely.

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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2003, 11:32:34 AM »
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"" So outside of a thousand or so Amiga Inc fans, who is going to buy it?  It's a luxiary item in a time when IT folks are not comfortable spending that type of money on a novelity.  ""

I think there is a market for the A1Lite with or without Amiga OS4.  Small, powerfull and capable of being a full desktop computer solution in a tiny package.  Something a C3 is not really suited for.  Plus an upgradeable CPU.  

""  Run AROS, the sub $100 VIA C3 mobos should be more then powerful enough.  ""

Aros - Not ready for prime time -Yet !

"" Run a firewall, not a problem for sub $100 mobo to do.  Run Apache on Linux, shouldn't be much of a problem.  As I've said previously, the *nix guys wil go for something cheap and make it work nicely.  ""

Yes, but the above is a limited use system.  Try playing a cool game on one!   :-D
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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #65 on: November 19, 2003, 01:57:40 PM »
by Wolfe on 2003/11/19 6:32:34

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I think there is a market for the A1Lite with or without Amiga OS4. Small, powerfull and capable of being a full desktop computer solution in a tiny package. Something a C3 is not really suited for. Plus an upgradeable CPU.


But can it compete with these ?  That's the big question, if you want a real desktop in a small package.

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Aros - Not ready for prime time -Yet !


Atleast it's out now for enjoyment, unlike OS4.

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Yes, but the above is a limited use system. Try playing a cool game on one!


Soon.  :-D

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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2003, 07:17:55 PM »
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But can it compete with these ?  That's the big question, if you want a real desktop in a small package.


Cool.  The answer is "NO" if you want to run winblows.  But as far as alternative OS's are concerned, well only time will tell.  Besides, you could put a A1Lite inside one of those cases.

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Atleast it's out now for enjoyment, unlike OS4.


True !  But it's not ready for the PPC.   ;-)

I want an alternative to the "PC" offerings.  Just because it's cheaper doesn't mean its the better way to go.  If I have to pay a little more initially to get a new direction for idea's not swallowed up by M$ going, I will do it.  Provided their is some bang for my buck.   :-D
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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2003, 09:23:07 PM »
by Wolfe on 2003/11/19 14:17:55

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I want an alternative to the "PC" offerings. Just because it's cheaper doesn't mean its the better way to go. If I have to pay a little more initially to get a new direction for idea's not swallowed up by M$ going, I will do it. Provided their is some bang for my buck.


Just because it's different and more expensive doesn't mean it's going to be better either.  As far as M$, I fail to understand this phobia tied into x86 when M$ was for a reasonable period tied to PPC and M$ appears to be porting W2K/XBoX to PPC as well.  Shouldn't you also be running and screaming away from PPC as well if your going to be consistant?  

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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2003, 12:29:11 AM »
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" Just because it's different and more expensive doesn't mean it's going to be better either."

 True, but is is a change, an opportunity for new ideas or a new direction.

"  As far as M$, I fail to understand this phobia tied into x86 when M$ was for a reasonable period tied to PPC and M$ appears to be porting W2K/XBoX to PPC as well."

X86  -  My boycott of X86 is to help bring about change.

M$  -  Of course it will come to PPC and in the future to any other processor that takes to the market successfully.  "Global domination is the goal"!  If the Chinese put forward their new processor and it is a success M$ will be available their too.

Like the "Borg", M$ intends to assimilate every one possible.

"  Shouldn't you also be running and screaming away from PPC as well if your going to be consistant?"

No, Stand and fight is the right thing to do.  Put my money where my mouth is.  If I gave up that easily I would not still use the "Amiga"..... :-D
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Re: Thoughts on the A1Lite and mainstream markets
« Reply #69 on: November 20, 2003, 02:39:32 AM »
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"  But can it compete with these ?  That's the big question, if you want a real desktop in a small package."

After reading the entire reviews of the various mini pc's I have to say "Yes" it can compete.  These are space saving space heaters.  Did you check out the air conditioner requiered to cool the CPU?
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