Windows is buggy and slow lets buy a Mac

[persia]

Complaining about Mac being high priced would be less humorous on a board that wasn't dedicated to less than iPod spec boards selling for US$1000, and US$1000+ 20 year old equipment.  Apple's prices look great compared to anything Amiga....

[beller]

Is this turning into a discussion on how to hack the Mac OS in order to run it on whatever system you choose?  Hate to say it, but that would violate Apple's rights.  Sounds like a piracy discussion, which I know isn't allowed here.

Am I missing something?

[persia]

Best bet to avoid piracy, video yourself going into an Apple store and requesting to buy a copy of Snow Leopard.  Use those words.  If anyone questions it afterwards show the video, where you have

1) Bought a copy not a license and
2) Were never asked whether you had a Mac....

Never pirate OS X, always buy a copy from your local Apple Store and install it on anything you like....

[dreamcast270mhz]

In response to the shut down/hibernate thing, my PB G4 I keep on when I'm gonna be on it a lot. My former desktop, I shut down too. Here's why:

Sleep/hibernate on my desktop caused it to overheat (it used a power hungry P4 HT)

I don't care about fast booting, it means nothing to me. I like the fact that with apple, you can remove safari altogether. In windows 2k and up, you may be able to do it, but everytime i've tried it breaks other features.

And as for my preference of OS X over BSD/Linux, I like the availability of usable applications on a mac plus the fact you never need to run a command line.

[smerf]

Hi,

@beller

OK, you have one or two games that are good at that site but most of them died on the PC about 5 years ago. If I am going to buy a $2500 computer it better play the latest games out there. Once again sorry, but most MACs I have looked at are not really as powerful as my now obsolete 2 year old Quad core computer that I am getting ready to upgrade to a new Intel 5 or 7 computer. You know if you are going to edit a few home movies, do a couple of photo manip's or write letters I guess a MAC would be fine. Sorry but once again I buy power and want games that will torture my new hardware and graphics cards.

smerf

[smerf]

Hi,

@dreamcast270mhz

"I like the fact that with apple, you can remove safari altogether."

You have a point there, I tried Safari and removed it from my PC altogether also.

WOW!!!

I find the command line interface a very usable feature, I don't like using computers without it. The CLI in a multi task environment is like using gold, I liked it on the Amiga, and I like it in Linux and also on the PC. Since you brought it up, this is one of the features or lack of that I do not like a MAC. Once again it that old Apple saying, "Make it simple to use"

smerf

[persia]

@smerf

What?  It's Windows that doesn't have much of a usable command line, Mac gives you a full bash terminal.  I beginning to doubt that you've ever actually used a Mac...

[dreamcast270mhz]

Oh ou misunderstand, I really like the terminal (under utilities) I just like the GUI option, just like in WB I like the show all files option on WB instead of navigating in a shell.

[motorollin]

Is this turning into a discussion on how to hack the Mac OS in order to run it on whatever system you choose?  Hate to say it, but that would violate Apple's rights.  Sounds like a piracy discussion, which I know isn't allowed here.

Am I missing something?

Well personally I have a family Leopard and have only installed on two machines, so installing an extra copy does not constitute copyright theft. The EULA is not legally binding so installing on non-Apple equipment is not illegal.

--
moto

[motorollin]

I find the command line interface a very usable feature, I don't like using computers without it.

...

Since you brought it up, this is one of the features or lack of that I do not like a MAC. Once again it that old Apple saying, "Make it simple to use"

Erm...

[runequester]

Hi,

@dreamcast270mhz

"I like the fact that with apple, you can remove safari altogether."

You have a point there, I tried Safari and removed it from my PC altogether also.

WOW!!!

I find the command line interface a very usable feature, I don't like using computers without it. The CLI in a multi task environment is like using gold, I liked it on the Amiga, and I like it in Linux and also on the PC. Since you brought it up, this is one of the features or lack of that I do not like a MAC. Once again it that old Apple saying, "Make it simple to use"

smerf

Im in agreement that I like having a proper CLI, but er... OS X has a pretty solid one dude

[danwood]

As I stated my Windows install is roughly (slightly under) 300meg. A far cry from 10gig.

Not using Vista then?  The bare Vista install is 14-15 gigs.

[cv643d]

One thing I hate with Windows is that it gets slower over time. Its not a defrag problem, as far as I can remember, it is been this way all the way back to Windows 95, and I am sick of it.

In Windows you are exposed to threats all the time. I had never got a virus in 8 years on XP, then I opened a wrong site in IE and my computer got infected. Ok, I know what die hard nerds say now, why use IE? Well, it is faster in Win systems and very crash-proof.

I have switched to FF now and I get the occasional freeze now and then just like it was 1998 and we were still running Netscape 4.72. So annoying considering a browser is a tool I use 95% of my time at the workstation.

Anyway, I decided, enough is enough. I just want a solid workstation. IMHO Apple hardware is too expensive and too locked down. And the OS does not feel as slick and fast to use as XP (yes I tried it and I missed the classic startbar). Also, I heard you can not rename a file in OSX by marking it and pressing F2 ?

And to be honest with you, I am sick of locked down systems so I am converting to Ubuntu with a virtual XP installation for those times I need a Window app.

Since Ubuntu is Linux you can do anything you want with it, so I can tune it to look exactly as Windows XP, lets just hope Linux Firefox is more stable!

[Karlos]

Since Ubuntu is Linux you can do anything you want with it, so I can tune it to look exactly as Windows XP, lets just hope Linux Firefox is more stable!

Firefox does not adhere to the coding standards expected of Xorg clients. For example, it uses certain flags to bring the window forwards that are reserved for panel applications under X, and doubtless more hacks besides.

Firefox is about the least stable application I regularly use under linux. I'm warming to chrome as an alternative but frankly, firefox has the biggest selection (and usually best specific) extensions available of any browser currently.

[Damion]

I have switched to FF now and I get the occasional freeze now and then just like it was 1998 and we were still running Netscape 4.72. So annoying considering a browser is a tool I use 95% of my time at the workstation.

Firefox has always been a little unstable for me as well. It crashes regularly, and PDF viewing is especially buggy (no problem with PDFs using other browsers).

[NovaCoder]

When Windows 95 came out, it's strong selling points were plug and play and ease of use. It impressed gamers because you didn't have to fiddle with DOS anymore.
Microsoft has gone daft, putting in more and more bloat. The OS is more of a whiz bang application than an operating system. The fact that you automatically buy Windows with any name brand PC or laptop means M$ can sit back and contentedly rake in money. That automatic bundling is really bad for non-sheeple consumers.

Gamers will simply abandon the Wintel PC and they have been. That is a fairly big chunk of business.
I can see innovation has ground to a halt, ty M$.

The real problem that Microsoft has is that their main cash-cow (the home OS market) is coming to the end of the road, in a few years time operating systems will be consigned to the history books.