Windows is buggy and slow lets buy a Mac

[kickstart]

Nobody outside the MMO circles gives a shit about PC gaming anymore. Sad but true. The developers are making their money off console games. How many PC exclusives did we get in 2009 ? How many games never showed up on PC at all ?

Most people just buy an xbox instead.


People have gotten convinced that they need 4 gig's of RAM to browse the internet and write letters to grandma. In 2 years when the computer is bogged down by malware, they'll be convinced they need to get a new machine with twice the system requirements of windows 7, and they'll use it for the exact same things people use PC's for now:

Write stuff, look at porn, listen to music.

The same thing to apple computers but more expensive than a normal pc but hei! they are cool! cool for a girls bedroom (installed windows xp/7 on it)

[Nlandas]

When I need windows, its either 98se, 2k or XP. OS X- very good, I like the UNIX roots of it, the clean design, hate the intel part of it. I trust OS X more than Windoze. I hate that all of my networked windows boxes pick up all the bloatware $hit. I hate Micro$h

@Tone007
These are some fool propaganda things you're saying. Bill Gates may be a nice guy, but Steve Jobs is NOT a tool, he is the master of the Mac Classic B&W. Okay he also pushed the Lisa, but he didn't make MS BOB nor did he screw OS/2 up. You may be a 'doze fanboy, but please state why in an intelligent, non-rantish manner.

I've been running Windows for years and years and I have never, repeat never caught a major virus or Trojan. Minor tracking cookies, etc. is all. Apparently, I'm completely amazing or something. Hold, on I need to open this attachment and click this link that this guy in Namibia just sent me and he'll give me 10 million dollars. D'OH! ;^)

Yes but who could forget NEXT, because no one will ever want a color computer. Steve Jobs is most definitely a tool. A very rich tool but still a tool none the less. Ask Wozniak after he's had a few beers. Commodore missed it's chance, darn you Jack Tramiel, they had the chance to buy Apple.

Then I could have missed the gems
Macs don't get viruses. (That's why we just cleaned several of them from multiple Malware attacks and infected Word docs.)
Macs are easier to use. (Yes, that GUI is so intuitive that users just sit down and immediately know how to use the machine. There is just zero learning curve because the bouncing icons in the Dock just explain everything.)
Macs are better for graphics. (The video cards in the Mac Pros at the time were like 3-4 generations behind the low end commodity DELLs we were buying.)
Macs don't crash. (Yeah, we never see a crash just a friendly note that you should restart the computer. It's not like it's really required or anything; it's just that your Mac needs a little rest.)
Macs are like Cadillac and PeeCees are like Yugo (Uhm, OK, sure.)
and my favorite local classics.....
Macs cost less because they come with all that free built in software so you have to count that too. (Nevermind, you're right - they are so great they walk on water and make the lame walk and the blind see.)

[tone007]

they are cool! cool for a girls bedroom

I always thought Apple machines were pretty cute and aimed at girls.  They had that black MacBook for a while though, which was almost interesting, but it had a garbage video chipset so I passed and bought a Sony instead.

[runequester]

The same thing to apple computers but more expensive than a normal pc but hei! they are cool! cool for a girls bedroom (installed windows xp/7 on it)

I hate mac's too

But I'll concede they run better than windows machines these days.

But then, Im one of those linux zealots.

[new2amga]

I use several different OSes here.  Win 98SE, 2K, XP, Vista, and 7.  As well as Mac OS 7, 8, 9.2.2, and 10.4.1.1 (I think).   I also use my Amiga computers which have OS 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9.  I even have an old PC that has OS/2 Warp on it.  I am no good with Linux but I do try to play with the distros from time to time.  I even have (Blasphemy!!) an Atari MegaST 2 with Tos 2.something in it.  The only OS I have used that I have had any problems with was Vista.  I always likened Vista to a 2 week dead pig lying in the sun, its bloated skin stretched to the point of bursting from all of the noxious fumes inside.  Well that's how it felt to me, and I have a fairly okay system.  An OS is merely a tool to access the programs that you use most frequently.  They are supposed to be designed to not get in the way and to maximize your experience.  If someone came out with an OS tomorrow (looking at google...) that allowed me to do everything I do with my Windows box (mostly games, but I am trying to make an old adventure game...) then I would more than likely check it out.  If it didn't get in my way. {shrugs} I'd use it.

[fishy_fiz]

Id have quoted, but amiga.org has the worst layout for responding to particular posts ever. cant for the life of me find how to quote, or how to respond to a particular post. Anyway...

Nobody cares about pc gaming anymore ?  What drugs are you on, and can I have the number to your dealer please ?  Windows gets just as many exclusives as consoles (granted a lot are fps games), and the majority of multiplatform games also get a Windows version, which is often the best version (Street Fighter IV, Assassins Creed, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Saints Row2 to name just a few). Im currently doing a 3 year course at uni based around game development and the majority of people there are gamers, and thier machine of choice is Windows. Most who have consoles also have a WIndows system. There's actually no-one in my classes who chose consoles for gaming over Windows (although I expect this doesn't accurately reflect the rest of the world being that my classmates are interested in the creative side of gaming, where not everyone into gaming is).
Being that this is a forum, anything positive about a format that someone doesnt like will probably be put down to the person saying something positive to fanboy-ism. To beat likely offenders to the punch here I should state that Im in no way, shape or form a Windows fan (nor do I dislike it). I just like to use the right tool for the right job, and there's some things Windows does better than any other system, so I'll use it for situations where that's the case.

[amigakid]

Go Windows 7 then.  Mac is crap also.  I know a lot of people don't like MS but lets face it Apple is doing the same crap if not worse.  Drop the Iphone, get an Android, drop the ipod and buy an MP3 player for cheaper that is better, DONT buy an Ipad cause it lacks everything useful to be an actual computer.  Buy an apple laptop if u want to spend 3 times as much for 3 times less.  Sorry if i sound negative but honestly I come here to talk about Amiga and (yes i do have 2 macs, 4 PCS and 5 Amigas) I really don't think macs are any better than other computers.  In my opinion i come here cause the ONLY computer i feel is better than all the others is my  Miggy.

[ElPolloDiabl]

I'm not a diehard Macfan the title was meant to be a hypothetical discussion from Joe User. Also since XP, Windows was a lot less buggy.

It was nice to see a cross section of views. I notice Amiga seemed to get unanimous praise. An OS is one of those things that everyone has their own ideas on what is 'ultimate.' You seem to agree that an OS should be flexible then and allow the user to tinker with it.

I don't like an OS that thinks i'm intellectually impaired and can't be trusted to turn some resource hogging features off. If you wonder why the OS needs a 2ghz+ CPU to be responsive it's because of all the background 'features' running.

If someone can explain to me why Windows needs all those gigabytes of hard drive space I might calm down.

[runequester]

Id have quoted, but amiga.org has the worst layout for responding to particular posts ever. cant for the life of me find how to quote, or how to respond to a particular post. Anyway...

Nobody cares about pc gaming anymore ?  What drugs are you on, and can I have the number to your dealer please ?  Windows gets just as many exclusives as consoles (granted a lot are fps games), and the majority of multiplatform games also get a Windows version, which is often the best version (Street Fighter IV, Assassins Creed, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Saints Row2 to name just a few). Im currently doing a 3 year course at uni based around game development and the majority of people there are gamers, and thier machine of choice is Windows. Most who have consoles also have a WIndows system. There's actually no-one in my classes who chose consoles for gaming over Windows (although I expect this doesn't accurately reflect the rest of the world being that my classmates are interested in the creative side of gaming, where not everyone into gaming is).
Being that this is a forum, anything positive about a format that someone doesnt like will probably be put down to the person saying something positive to fanboy-ism. To beat likely offenders to the punch here I should state that Im in no way, shape or form a Windows fan (nor do I dislike it). I just like to use the right tool for the right job, and there's some things Windows does better than any other system, so I'll use it for situations where that's the case.

http://www.pcvsconsole.com/news.php?nid=3403

PC games generated revenue in 2009 of 538 million.
Total game software industry (console, pc and portable) revenue of 10.5 billion dollars.
PC gaming thus accounts for some 5% of the gaming industry

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167645

Crytek stating that console titles sell 4-5 times as much as PC titles do.
They also mention Crysis selling over 1 million copies as of February 1st 2008. This was after 4 months on the market.

By comparison:
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2010/01/16/system-and-game-sales-for-december-2009-in-the-usa.htm
The new mario game sold 2.8 million in one month.


Trust me. Im no bigger a fan of this than anyone here. The only console I own is an old PS2 and we use it more as a DVD player than for games anymore, but the writing is on the wall.

[fishy_fiz]

If someone can explain to me why Windows needs all those gigabytes of hard drive space I might calm down.

It doesnt. Default install is large, but it doesnt need all the stuff it installs by default. also a good chunk of the size a Windows install uses is for page and swapfiles. Really though it's no bigger than most modern Linux distros (for example) when similar amounts of useless crap is installed on both. My XP pro install for example is less than 300meg, and it could be much smaller if I could be bothered to take the time to remove more useless garbage. Just a shame you have to use a 3rd party tool (WinLite was my choice) to get rid of unneccessary junk.

[ElPolloDiabl]

A console is another piece of Windows bloat to add to your PC.:roflmao:

I can see the worth of a console in multiplayer arcade games, but for more complex FPS it feels like your handicapped.

It only reaffirms what I think, Windows has driven gamers off of the PC.

[fishy_fiz]

@runequestor

Sure, but piracy plays a huge part in this, and those figures represent boxed products, which in this day and age is only a modest chunk of the money gaming makes. PC gaming still represents the largest percentage of money spent in the gaming industry due in no small way to online games.

[tokyoracer]

Quite frankly Xp like most of Windoze OS's was a bit of a dog at first but over time it's developed and IMHO, one hell of a good OS these days. Sure you get the odd useless errors but everything is easy to work on and is so frugal with it's hardware.

Vista was utter s***e to put it bluntly, but thankfully has been replaced with 7 which I hear isn't a bad OS, though is still power hungry.

NT was another good bit of work from Bill if you ask me.

[runequester]

@runequestor

Sure, but piracy plays a huge part in this, and those figures represent boxed products, which in this day and age is only a modest chunk of the money gaming makes. PC gaming still represents the largest percentage of money spent in the gaming industry due in no small way to online games.

The article doesn't mention only box product as far as I can tell, but overall revenue from sale of software, so propably includes xbox live stuff, steam etc.

Online revenue is being derived from console gaming as well though.

http://www.dfcint.com/game_article/mar06article.html
This is the most recent I can find, giving online revenue (overall) as expected to hit 6.8 billion dollars in 2011
A bit over 2/3rds of that is from PC games (and over half of that are from MMO's)

In other words.. the entire projected revenue from ALL online gaming (PC AND Console) is about two thirds the revenue from console software sales.

The PC part of the online revenue (lets round up and say 5 billion) is about half of what the console industry generated in software sales, without counting their online revenue.

[fishy_fiz]

http://www.videogamer.com/news/pc_gaming_markets_annual_revenue_is_11_billion.html quite heavily suggests otherwise, and its actually current as opposed to predictions. Not that I care really, people can enjoy whatever platform they like, but clearly pc gaming is far from dying, its just for the most part heading down a different path than the consoles (as it always has).
Not important anyway, and sorry for being off topic people.

[koshman]

@ fishy fiz: I can't agree that modern Linux distros take up as much HDD space as Windows. Most of them still have CD distributions and even these include basic software that Win doesn't (apart from IE...). When you install a whole DVD distro of Ubuntu, e.g., it may take  a big chunk of of your drive, but as far as basic software goes you're practically set - office package, a decent browser, media player etc. are all included. For Windows you need, what, 10GBs and THEN you start adding the software.