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Offline odin

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Re: Free S/W H/W Update - Well **** me with a pickled onion!
« Reply #44 from previous page: November 16, 2003, 01:25:57 AM »
@lempkee:

Ofcourse, pirating software which is still available and of which ppl can still make money sucks, agreed.

But how in the world can pirating Lemmings or whatever old game hurt anyone? Buying secondhand is also no use, the authors don't get any money that way. In fact reselling software is illegal I'd say (if you follow the letter of the law).

(Or am I missing your point completely?)

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Re: Free S/W H/W Update - Well **** me with a pickled onion!
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2003, 01:37:27 AM »
what if an amiga retailer still sells lemmings? would you call lemmings abandonware then and still copy it round to your mates when such mates could be paying a few euro's or whatever to a retailer and helping them stay in the amiga buisness?
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Re: Free S/W H/W Update - Well **** me with a pickled onion!
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2003, 01:47:20 AM »
Depends on how much they're asking. I haven't bought an Amiga game in years (the last game I bought is prolly Nightlong), but even back then age-old games were going for 'fullprice' prices.

I know, it's illegal/unethical (towards the dealers), but I refuse to pay 25EUR for 8 year old games (then again I don't play em either %).


And yes, I'd still call Lemmings abandonware in that case

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Re: Free S/W H/W Update - Well **** me with a pickled onion!
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2003, 02:02:06 AM »
odin:i totally agree with you , but my point was more or less, support the shops , negotiate with prices of older sw if prices are high (i do that...and they all want to sell so..atleast them serious ones..)

sure dont bother to negotiate on new stuff but i was talking about older if so..

anyway as far as lemmings is concerned Dma approved it as Abandonware ages ago , but not the 2player amiga only release (only them normal ones).

my point was more or less why not buy if u like ?, sure i dont say pay 50 quid for a non rare game or such if u aint a collector, but rather than like tosec etc (who gives a #### about the shops and authors of the sw etc) you might want to go to a shop and check out etc, i know it aint mainstream anymore but then again it never would be if the shops aint supported.

as for nightlong , i bought that aswell ..set me back about 100 ukp ;(  when i bought that, very expensive game, but still it was worth it in my eyes.., but then again u can pick that up at forematt.co.uk for 18 quid now (and thats v1.1 sets)...

anyway if a game is worth playing its worth buying, sadly there is alot of not worthy games out there atm , especially the period 98-2000 , games like Joyride, turboracer3d etc simply dont even justify a price at 7 quid...
but it doesnt jusity it for beeing abandonware like tosec claim it is (and it aint), apanosin was on tosec before there was an commercial release of it, just like the old days eh?... and apano sin wasnt infact a bad game either but i must admit i expected abit more of it..

i still buy old games from shops in euorpoe and usa, mostly because i am a collector and due to the fact that i love games, and it gives me a good feeling that i support the shops + own the games, but i have been burnt a few times with lame ass shops like " amigastuff.co.uk , amigagames.co.uk and epic uk , alive and archon...allof theese should have been closed down at the opening day, they publish illegal liscenses (they still do) and claim to have liscenses for ol games as xenon 2 on a cdr (cdtv version) and take money for it, same goes for monkey island 1,2 cd and fotaq cd...all are illegal and dubious cracks (i contacted the authors after i got the cds in my post and noticed it was cracks and a paper label on a cdr)
other games as fighting spirit and such is also redistrubuted from alive (now called amigagames.co.uk and amigastuff.co.uk) which again is illegal versions and not a dime goes to the developers,and guess what...they are still on amiga also , but they opened the games to bttr but not the cd versions (cd32)..
confusing?  it should be.... :)

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Re: Free S/W H/W Update - Well **** me with a pickled onion!
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2003, 04:49:24 AM »
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My 2 cents. Sell it on Ebay and then donate the money to charity. That way, an Amiga user that wants to have your hardware will buy it, and the money still goes to a good cause.


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Re: Free S/W H/W Update - Well **** me with a pickled onion!
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2003, 05:49:23 AM »
by lempkee on 2003/11/15 19:31:16

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Dammy: do you remeber when amithlon surfaced ? , people screamed it was totally legal etc and


Of course I remember that, Amiga Inc (Fleecy?) said it was a licensed product.

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lot of people was lost to x86 because of amithlon and they wont come back and guess what only 5% maybe of them sticked with amithlon, rest use now windows and ignores amiga or uses uae now and then though less and less.


Unless you have some heavy duty surveys to qualify the above, your pulling that out of your ass.  Seven million Amiga users didn't abandon the Amiga for UAE nor Amithlon.  The reason people are using their Amigas less and less is either they are breaking from age/use or they are not sufficient to do what is required.  It's been over ten years since Amiga was viable.  Learn to accept reality and not call for violent crimes against people who do not think in the narrow little world of yours.


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thats my point, this is why everything is as it is and why i am abit rude to the new kids on the block, sorry but i really never put amithlon behind me due to the fact i lost alot of friends because they moved over there and found out it wasnt as it was described (super puper fast and bla bla) , and that amigaos 4 was going x86 etc...made people leave amiga ppc and 68k... for x86, and they wont return unless something big happens..


OS5, according to Fleecy (he wouldn't lie, would he?;) will run on x86.  There is no reason to return to the Amiga, it's old, it's getting cranky and too expensive to upgrade.  The generic (CHiRP) PPC mobos are as much an amiga is any x86 is.  Amiga was a special hardware platform that had a customized chipset that it's OS was tied to in an impressive final product.  If anything lempkee, you should be flaming Eyetech for having the nerve to rebadge Teron mobos as Amigas.

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anyway i always wish for amiga to be the Thing again but i dont think it ever will due to the fact that we have uae,amithlon,umilator,aros,morphos to make amiga just another....ummm thing.... though its nice to make it appeal to everyone but then again look at linux, it aint actually living wealthy because of sales number on the sw etc..


It won't be because there is no HARDWARE to go along with any Amiga like OS, that includes AROS/MOS/OS4.  All of those are Amiga like and have valid reasons of being in existance.  You maybe rooting for one, but that doesn't mean that those of us who are going with the open source version should be murdered for speaking up for our favorite Amiga like OS.

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people dont buy sw or support the plattform unless the crack or whatever is crap, because they couldnt care less ... (majority speaking ofcourse) ..

i just hope people who use aros and morphos and uae and amithlon etc supports the market by registrating products and buys sw etc.


I got news for you, people are DONATING their MONEY to AROS as well as coding, designing logos and other significant efforts to improve AROS.  AROS is a true commuity effort, we are all pitching in and do no deserve your knee jerk damnation.  IF you don't like AROS on x86, wait for someone to finish the port to Pegasos, or Amigas, or dragonball based PDAs.  

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sorry for the long message, but i am just trying to explain my point of view as a developer and how the last 5? years have effected me and the people around me.

(i might get slayed when this has been read but i hope people will understand why and what...)


I'm starting to wonder if you understand AROS has been around for what, six years now?  

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Re: Free S/W H/W Update - Well **** me with a pickled onion!
« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2003, 05:12:16 PM »
@pickled_onion_man

Have you already given the PPC board away? otherwise I would really like to have it so I can start to develop on the Amiga. I have never had a PPC and I would really love to have one. I have looked everywhere for an PPC card but have not found one. I want to start to develop on my Amiga, but before I can start I really need an PPC.  

I live in Sweden and I would gladly pay you for the shipping cost.
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Re: Free S/W H/W Update - Well **** me with a pickled onion!
« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2003, 05:37:03 PM »
@pickled_onion_man:

Are you sure you don't wanna go the eBay route and then give the money to a good cause? Just look at this auction for a waaaay outdated A500 accelerator and tell me what you think.

You could get lucky and get a $1000USD for your BlizzardPPC if you find someone crazy enough on eBay (very likely!).  ;-)