A suggestion for the new AmigaOne X1000

[dougal]

I think if the new Amiga is to be a succsess i would suggest that just like when the first A1000 came out back in 1985, the new Amiga must be GROUND BREAKING, not just a machine which can run OS4 etc...

They should design a games console, but more powerful than the Playstation3 or Xbox360 with better processing power, better graphics hardware etc...

From that they should turn it into a computer with expansion slots, built in wifi etc.. and have it packaged with a Amiga branded keyboard/mouse and the latest OS4.

With such powerfull hardware and maybe a good ad campaign they could get 3rd party support for games (such as from EA or Activision etc...)

Maybe in the future even release a smaller version (with no Xorro/PC slots etc..) and it would be a kind of moder A500 games machine yet still a computer at the same time.

[Golem!dk]

And who is going to fund this?

[ElPolloDiabl]

What about the minimig can that not be expanded to have networking. A 600mhz ARM CPU is plenty of power to surf the net. Probably not enough for HD movies though.

The iSlate will be out in two days. Supposedly a iphone only larger. I don't see a market for a high end Amiga, but there is plenty of opportunity on the low end. 1000 sales vs 50.

[Tension]

pfft!

[Piru]

They should design a games console, but more powerful than the Playstation3 or Xbox360 with better processing power, better graphics hardware etc.

Assuming they would somehow be able to pull this off (money, hw designers, all 3rd party ppl you need to talk to etc), it would still fail:

1. It would be more expensive.
2. It would have no games.

With such powerfull hardware and maybe a good ad campaign they could get 3rd party support for games (such as from EA or Activision etc...)

That is not enough to get any game company's attention. You need a market... which you can't get with hideously expensive console with 0 games.

[jj]

Publishers more than ever are unwilling to fund game development on the big consoles if they game might only shift a million copies.  Why on earth would they risk it a completly new hardware platform.
 
It has taken microsfot, a compnay will massive resources and billions of dollars to hand, long enough to become a serious contender in the console market.
 
There is very little chance of a new player in the market selling loads of consoles.  What is left to do, slightly better graphics?  We are already seeing new input devices (Wii) and motion tracking on the xbox and playstaion.

[DyLucke]

Better than a 360 or a PS3?

LOL! ... But i have to say that's daydreaming.

To build a hi-tech machine is very expensive, it's not just a matter of mixing ingredients for a magical recipe that would work or not.

However as it has been said, it would be farging expensive. Nobody would aim for such a project with no name, no brand, no games and no rentability.

The X1000 or the Natami should aim to be 100% compatible and with enouth power to replace our PC's for daily use. That means, surf the web, write emails, some office stuff, watch videos, listen some music and have enough power to emulate 16bit and luckilly some 32bit systems.

And of course for an "affordable" price. That's it. Suggesting a Hi-Tech rampage would not give any profit to the Amiga community, because it's nonsense. We're not in the top league anymore. Just be sure we survive for useful but esential use. That's it, and that would be a promising future, because we don't need super-megaton-hi-tech 3D graphics to have fun or do our daily stuff.  We already have PS3 or 360 for that.

[Karlos]

I don't understand why people feel the need to make suggestions like these. If the hardware actually exists at this time, it isn't going to be revised based on someone's wishlist posting.

[GadgetMaster]

It would be easier to make a touchscreen phone like the iphone optimised to run all the amiga game back catalogue as well as make calls/run apps/browse the web and everything else we have come to expect from such devices.

But even that requires a crazy amount of money which nobody in this community has to invest in such a project so lets stick to being realistic shall we.

[GadgetMaster]

I don't understand why people feel the need to make suggestions like these. If the hardware actually exists at this time, it isn't going to be revised based on someone's wishlist posting.

Exactly.

[kolla]

I think if the new Amiga is to be a succsess i would suggest that just like when the first A1000 came out back in 1985, the new Amiga must be GROUND BREAKING, not just a machine which can run OS4 etc...

Nearly impossible today, simply too much competition.

They should design a games console, but more powerful than the Playstation3 or Xbox360 with better processing power, better graphics hardware etc...

Again, nearly impossible - if it was possible, Nintendo and others would already be doing that.

From that they should turn it into a computer with expansion slots, built in wifi etc.. and have it packaged with a Amiga branded keyboard/mouse and the latest OS4.

Latest OS4 lacks fundamental features that both developers and users expect to find in an OS today. Noone outside the Amiga community is interested, and the few who might be, quickly shun off once they see what state the OS is in.

With such powerfull hardware and maybe a good ad campaign they could get 3rd party support for games (such as from EA or Activision etc...)

OS4 lacks fundamental features for being interesting for games developers.

Maybe in the future even release a smaller version (with no Xorro/PC slots etc..) and it would be a kind of moder A500 games machine yet still a computer at the same time.

All the games consoles today already are usable as computers, there's lots of software for them already, to be bought online.

[paolone]

Latest OS4 lacks fundamental features that both developers and users expect to find in an OS today. Noone outside the Amiga community is interested, and the few who might be, quickly shun off once they see what state the OS is in.

Sorry, but I don't agree here, Ok, there's no memory protection, there's no multi-user architecture, no Posix and no "whatever fancy feature you feel a question of life & death", but I don't think average people will ever list OS features and decide what to buy.

They will, instead, ask basic questions like "will this make me surf the web without issues? will this allow me playing my videos? will this hel me with my every-day duties?" and so on. You can positively answer to all these questions even without such "modern" features, but providing the necessary applications.

I can agree, however, on the gaming issues: the isn't a modern and consolidated hardware 3D-accelerated API architecture in AmigaOSes, and this IS a show-stop issue. On the AROS side Deadwood is busy porting Gallium3D: maybe it would be a good idea if people form other Amiga dialects would join the effort and help to create a common 3D baseline for the whole platform.

[Ancalimon]

To have any chance of big success, one has to differentiate his product so much that it no longer is in the competition which is already mature. This was what was achieved with Amiga1000.

[persia]

Amiga doesn't do groundbreaking any more.  Sorry.

@paolone
kolla said developers, OS 4's many, many missing features may or may not be a deal breaker  for some users, but they are for developers.  Have you ever thought about developing for modern machines?  There's a whole host of features available that just aren't there for OS 4.  It's far more difficult to develop for OS 4 and then the entire target audience would be able to be seated comfortably in your average McDonalds or Hungry Jacks...

[gazgod]

Sorry, but I don't agree here, Ok, there's no memory protection, there's no multi-user architecture, no Posix and no "whatever fancy feature you feel a question of life & death", but I don't think average people will ever list OS features and decide what to buy.

They will, instead, ask basic questions like "will this make me surf the web without issues? will this allow me playing my videos? will this hel me with my every-day duties?" and so on. You can positively answer to all these questions even without such "modern" features, but providing the necessary applications.

With the current number of Amiga users you are right, but IF (big if i know) it became a mainstream OS the lack of modern features would make it a hackers dream. We currently have security by obscurity but without protected memory, multi-user etc writing exploitations would be fairly simple and very dangerous online.

But as for a Amiga games console, thats probably the daftest proposal I've heard in a long time, does the proposer know that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all sell there consoles at a loss relying on licensing software to generate income, the complete opposite to hyperions business model which is overpriced hardware and no software.

Gaz