so who really won, amiga or atari?

[mantisspider]

hi guys,

while surfing the net, i wondered to myself about the demise of the Atari ST and the words, piracy killed off the atari.

http://www.atari.com/
atari looks pretty healthy to me.

Q: Through its acquisition of Hasbro Interactive in 2001, Infogrames Entertainment SA became the owner of the Atari brand. What plans do you have for the Atari brand?

A: Atari is perhaps the most illustrious name in the interactive game industry and we are thrilled to have it as part of the Atari family. We want to be true to the innovation that marked Atari's launch 20 years ago. With that in mind, we are re-inventing Atari for a new generation. Our inaugural titles, Splashdown, MXRider and Transworld Surf, all of which will launch in November 2001, capture the qualities we believe will define the re-invented Atari. They are innovative, unique, exhilarating, breakthrough, and genre defining games. You can expect to see a great deal more from us regarding Atari in the months ahead.

amiga vs atari ? a pyrrhic victory

[that_punk_guy]

At ASDA, for ~£17 you can buy these Atari-branded joysticks  which plug directly into your TV with a cheap micro built in which you can play Breakout, Space Invaders, Defender, etc on.

Kinda cool, but not as ace as actually having a 2600.

[ottomobiehl]

atari looks pretty healthy to me.

It is not the same atari as we all knew and loved back in the day.   I think they just use the name to sell games.

Also, I believe there is a group of dedicated fans who are maintaining, upgrading, and improving their Ataire ST's so I think Atari is about as demised as the Amiga is.

Plus, heard the argument that piracy killed off the Amiga too.  But, since the Amiga isn't demised either we know that it isn't true. :-D

It all comes down to perception I guess.   :-D

[downix]

Well, a unification of Atari and Amiga concepts would make one kickass computer.

[Karlos]

As a platform, neither have died as each has its dedicated fan base.

Other than clone 680x0 based machines produced in reasonably small numbers where is the atari going?

Therefore, I would say that as a platform amiga is healthier. We have not one, but two hardware successors, each using more recent technologies and off the shelf components. I dont see any son-of-atari Peg/A1 style systems. We had PPC cards that reached the production stage (IIRC there were atari PPC cards that never got beyond the prototype stage).

Even as a 680x0 only machine we have better emulations with systems like WinUAE and Amithlon that surpass any atari emulation I have seen. I wouldn't be surprised if we had a higher proportion of 040/060 users in our userbase too, but that is pure conjecture on my part.

Then there is AROS, attempting to run everywhere...

As a company, possibly atari is in better shape than amiga inc, but it is definately a mere shadow of its former self.

[Debaser]

Based upon what I have seen/read.. this thread is a bit silly really. What is going on in ST land isnt really anywhere compared to the Amiga OS side of things. A software company that buys the Atari name to sell some games doesn't qualify as a victor in the Amiga/Atari war. Then again if you are talking about "atari" as a product I guess they have the upper hand. But then again isn't it just a moot point..I mean its just a lable on an xbox game.

-Debaser

[Lo]

Well, a unification of Atari and Amiga concepts would make one kickass computer.

Cool! [color=0000FF]_ATAMIGA!!_[/color]    And for the 3 letter acronymn...[color=CC0000]ATM!![/color]
(*sigh* , the real corporate world sucks)
 :pint:  Sorry, have been imbibing libations.. :-)

[ottomobiehl]

Cool! _ATAMIGA!!_ And for the 3 letter acronymn...ATM!!

 :roll:  :-)

[lempkee]

the atari name was bought up by INFOGRAMES in 2001/2 , they use it as a games publisher name and have had quite a success with it due to the fact that atari liscenses have been very big and of special games more or less.

but it has nothing to do with the orginal atari team and all atari users can confirm that and they rescent it!.

its like if Ocean all of a sudden started to produce hardware

anyway as we all know, atari was a really big thing in the early 80s to the later 80s with games in the arcades etc + a rather mediocre deal with williams till 1994 or so.


anyway amiga is further, but atari has AGP hacks for their systems , but still no ppc but they have had the coldfire for quite a while now

so its sorta even but seriously atari havent really made a name out of them selves the last years as in the fan base.., they ported a few late amiga games to the atari but thats about it.

cheers

pps:the demoscene is still hw bashing the falcon and i am still impressed , though i expect more in the future when they will get a standarized os for it, its basically a hack n slash os atm (bits and pieces...and as we all know...TOS aint really an os:) )

[Belxjander]

Maybe Amiga developers can pull the Atari people into the fold by providing them an OS for the HW and they in turn may help the Amiga community with upgrades for our M68K Legacy systems in return ? best of both traditions working together instead of the pissing contest crap

just my 2c

[Karlos]

Could be what Downix meant. Some of those atari clones had decent hardware (PCI/060/SDRAM) but TOS is just dreadful ;-)

[downix]

@Karlos

TOS sucked, yes.  But MultiTOS is another story, closer in design to UNIX or Linux than TOS ever was.  Think of MultiTOS in the same relation as Windows vs Windows NT.

[Karlos]

So marginally less crap then :lol:

Only kidding. MultiTOS was a much bigger step in the right direction, but to be fair, amigaos kicks its ass :-)

[TjLaZer]

Well IMHO The Amiga won.  The ST was rushed so Atari could get the edge on Commodore.  This after Atari's failed attempt to buy the Amiga.  The ST was a cool machine but paled in comparison to the Amiga.  I collect nothing but Commodore and Atari systems.  And I can honestly say the Amiga is better hands down, and it reflected in the marketplace at the time too.  

[Cyberus]

MultiTOS - is that like a game of soggy biscuit? :lol: