We NEED AmigaOS to go open source

[Tension]

jeez guys, what's wrong with drugs?

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[soulboy]

About AROS. Is there any 68k version available ? Personally (don't shoot me) I have no interest in running Amiga on x86.

[Trev]

There's Bernd's AfA OS backports of AROS code to Amiga OS, but that's it.

[Matt_H]

Jeez guys, what's wrong with drugs?  What happen to that guy, I think his nick was something like "420 Dude" or something.  I think he was on here and Amigaworld.net several years back.  He was around for quite awhile and he'd always bring Marijuana into every topic.  He was a real nice guy and pretty funny.

Hey, yeah. He was kind of a funny guy. Hope he's not in jail for possession

[soulboy]

Cool thanks.

There's Bernd's AfA OS backports of AROS code to Amiga OS, but that's it.

[Plaz]

Hey, yeah. He was kind of a funny guy. Hope he's not in jail for possession

Sad story as I heard it. His Amiga broke, couldn't get it fixed, and got rid of it. The real problem was that ... "dude, you put your weed in there!"

He's been looking for it ever since.

"You can put your weed in there"
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/4800567_bbYEe/1/280575587_EwUaQ/Medium
(Get it before NBC has it pulled)

Plaz

[recidivist]

Look , the  idea of a car or a computer or an operating system IS "open source" ;BUT  you aren't LEGALLY allowed to make an exact copy of anything still protected by patents or copyrights and sell or give away copies without the  patent or copyright holders' permission.You may make a car,but not a close copy of a Ford,nor can you call your car a Ford.
Now is that concept too limiting for you?
Then  have the laws changed or ignore them as you like,and see what happens.
By the way,several "totally harmless" T-shirt vendors are  likely to face FELONY counterfeiting charges for selling NFL team logo wear at a big flea market near here.And previously several vendors of pirated movies have been shut down ..
But  football is "open source";you CAN play football all you want,but you just can't declare your team official NFL without the league's agreement.

 Now maybe you can explain just why Hyperion would give away that which they have fought for years in court to obtain? Or are you going to say the court decision isn't legitimate?

 I think you are free to write your own OS ,beginning from scratch,which will run on Amiga hardware .After all,some versions of linux run on Apple hardware ;but again,the don't try to call it Mac OS  because Apple has the legal rights.

[gazgod]

Look , the  idea of a car or a computer or an operating system IS "open source" ;BUT  you aren't LEGALLY allowed to make an exact copy of anything still protected by patents or copyrights and sell or give away copies without the  patent or copyright holders' permission.You may make a car,but not a close copy of a Ford,nor can you call your car a Ford.
Now is that concept too limiting for you?
Then  have the laws changed or ignore them as you like,and see what happens.
By the way,several "totally harmless" T-shirt vendors are  likely to face FELONY counterfeiting charges for selling NFL team logo wear at a big flea market near here.And previously several vendors of pirated movies have been shut down ..
But  football is "open source";you CAN play football all you want,but you just can't declare your team official NFL without the league's agreement.

 Now maybe you can explain just why Hyperion would give away that which they have fought for years in court to obtain? Or are you going to say the court decision isn't legitimate?

 I think you are free to write your own OS ,beginning from scratch,which will run on Amiga hardware .After all,some versions of linux run on Apple hardware ;but again,the don't try to call it Mac OS  because Apple has the legal rights.

WTF dude!!, this discussion is about whether (theoretically) Amiga OS should be open sourced NOT about pirating/stealing/counterfeiting it.

Unless you are SCO's lawyer these are not the same thing

By open sourcing the owners of software (i know nothing about open source cars) open up the source to the world in general and to the developer community in particular and allow that code to be modified and distributed (depending on the license the code is released under). A great example is Sun's open sourcing of Solaris, the Solaris community was able to expand and port the OS and Sun benefited from having a much larger pool of developers working on there OS, and were able to back port software and drivers to there commercial release. Unfortunatly this was to little to late for Sun as there market was been continually encroached upon by ever more powerful X86 cpu's and linux.

Personally I believe that the only way to get the Amiga any market share is to open source it (even then it would be a tiny share). But I also believe that this will not happen in the foreseeable happen now Hyper-ron have the rights and can sell X1000's to the few dozen fanboys who will buy it and OS4 at the undoubtedly extortionate prices. As long as Hyper-ron want the Amiga tied to there expnsive hardware then it will never be opened up.

To quote Richard Stallman "Think free as in free speech, not free beer.".

Gaz

[Trev]

Look , the  idea of a car or a computer or an operating system IS "open source" ;BUT  you aren't LEGALLY allowed to make an exact copy of anything still protected by patents or copyrights and sell or give away copies without the  patent or copyright holders' permission.You may make a car,but not a close copy of a Ford,nor can you call your car a Ford.
Now is that concept too limiting for you?

The analogy should apply, although in practice it doesn't. One can legally produce and sell an exact copy of a Ford oil filter. One cannot, however, legally produce and sell an exact copy of a Hewlett-Packard DeskJet cartridge.

Re: "sell or give away," WTF? Hint: First-sale doctrine. Any legally produced and obtained copy may be transferred by the owner. I don't think anyone's really sought a way to transfer ephemeral copies, e.g. music purchased from iTunes, but it will happen eventually. The legal definition of ephemeral will likely evolve as society's use of technology advances.

Re: patents, software patents are particularly dangerous, as evidenced by modern companies patenting methods (only the method can be patented--the source code is copyrighted) that have been commonplace for a century or more. It's a bit of a land grab.

[amyren]

 Now maybe you can explain just why Hyperion would give away that which they have fought for years in court to obtain? Or are you going to say the court decision isn't legitimate?

I agree.

I dont think open source would benefit us right now.
Also look how many different distros the linux world have. For other than the geeks this is very confusing and keeps many average users from using the platform.
Today we already have split up the amiga in three different directions, AmigaOS4, MorphOS, Aros. 4 if you count classic amiga/uae. If it was open source I think there would be even more splitted over time, with several different versions drifting apart in compatibility.

And the timing for the open source discussion is not the best. Many people have finally got their hopes up for new usable hardware, and the OS is getting developed as we speak.
If there was no hyperion working on the AmigaOS, and no new hardware to look forward to, I would support the open source idea, but not as things are right now.

[Haranguer]

@gazgod

Sun open-sourced not only Solaris, but also OpenOffice.org, MySQL and, eventually, Java.

And last year, Sun was bought out by Oracle for a song.

Something tells me that open source isn't the best business model for a company that wants to stay in business.

If open source were going to save the Amiga, AROS would be far better developed than AOS4.1.  Now, don't get me wrong.  I'm very much in favour of AROS.  I just don't think that AmigaOS should follow suit.

By the way, I'm actually quite happy that Sun open-sourced MySQL & Java.  I'm writing a database application in Java which will run with MySQL Cluster, and I'm more than happy to get my software for free.

But it didn't help Sun.

[cicero790]

Give me and some guys a CD with AmigaOS on it and i'll... Probably make a pirate copy. That analogy doesn't work, damn. I'll think one up in a bit.

Hell Labs actually proves that Hyperion's strategy are sound. Now a hacker have to buy the hardware and there by supporting further development of the platform, and anyone using this hypothetical cracked software have to, again,  buy the hardware and further more support development.

What Hyperion does is probably the only way to protect Amiga.

Aros is Amiga x86, and you can show your appreciation by donating.

I can't believe that some of you guys have missed how cool Aros is. You are in a modern Amiga Os, yet you have access to multiple emulators for the main retro machines like,  UAE, c64 emulations and dosbox. OWB takes care of the last parts to make it a usable every day machine with google docs.

It needs more love and devs and if you a coder please help out.

Anyway, one of the best things about Amiga land is the multitude of projects and there is no obligation to vomit over projects that don't catches your eye for the moment. You just pick what your interested in. I'm glad they're all there.

[dammy]

About AROS. Is there any 68k version available ? Personally (don't shoot me) I have no interest in running Amiga on x86.

AROS68K is currently unmaintained and as been for years.  There is a bounty (think it's ACPI bounty) that requires AROS68K to be brought into maintained status once again.

[jj]

@msuguy71
 
are you on drugs?

 
In shock news A1260 pops up his un-wanted head to make an inflamtory comment.

[Manu]

AROS68K is currently unmaintained and as been for years.  There is a bounty (think it's ACPI bounty) that requires AROS68K to be brought into maintained status once again.

I guess you mean this one "Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I)"

Objective 1.
 Bring The m68k compile of AROS back out of unmaintained.

http://www.power2people.org/bounty_005.html and it's recently been re-assigned
to Gaz (blog is here: http://noisemonkey.wordpress.com/)
so people start donating and support the effort.

[JimS]

I gathered from that ART interview with Rogue, that Hyperion wasn't planning on doing much if anything in the way of of updating 3.x. They're looking at 4 and the future... I don't see that making a goodwill gesture to the Amiga community would hurt their plans. That's assuming the court settlement would even allow them to open source 3.x.

BTW, last time I tried to DL AROS on the local library's LAN, I was getting speeds about like dialup. ;-) No way, I'm going to download a DVD ISO that way. ;-)