Where to find Birdie?

[motorollin]

It's a bit sad when adults are still arguing and insulting each other over whose computer is best :rolleyes:

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[jj]

Well I got my hands back on my old amstrad cpc6128 the other day.  Now that clearly is the best computer

[Hell Labs]

Well I got my hands back on my old amstrad cpc6128 the other day.  Now that clearly is the best computer

Anything by amstrad is cool with me. After all, they drove the spectrum into the ground, and those things just rub me the wrong way. Although that's probably because my brother in law got given two of the +2 model (built in tape deck) along with a three foot square crate of games on cassette, four joysticks, and also a vintage 80's cd player, ALL FOR FREE. He threw all of that out about a week later even though he knew I wanted it. He thought it needed a special monitor and refused to believe you just plugged it in the tv and tune it in, and also refuses to believe that anyone would pay for it.

But yeah, let's make birdie do some work or I'm feeding it to a cat.

[Thorham]

I like how me becoming extremely annoyed at a lack of user friendlyness when attempting a basic task (That I can do ten times easier in a text editor in say, linux) is perceived as "trolling" (and not even the correct use of the word trolling). Because when a flaw is found, it is the users fault, the user doesn't deserve to use it and should sell it to somebody "worthy".

Getting annoyed is fine, calling an OS shit because it's not as easy to use as MacOs (which AOS is, no doubt) isn't right.

I also particularly like how an operating system that was designed with an actually decent UI (and indeed, everything else a none-programmer sees was designed better too) was characterized as "composed almost entirely of fail", yet the one that ties the end user up and beats them with electric stun batons is praised because the hardware it shipped on had a nice chipset, and the magic it was powered by was blue and not red or something.

The problem here is that MacOs isn't as powerful as AOS, it's simply more user friendly. Remember, there are two types of users: Users who want lots of control (AOS) and users who don't care about 'under the hood power' (MacOs). The quality of an OS is based on those two things: How powerful it is and how user friendly it is. In other words, both OSs have their fair share of problems. If you're going to use AOS, then you'll have to accept the fact that you're dealing with an OS that isn't as user friendly as it could've been.

To sum it up:

AOS - Powerful but reduced user friendliness.
MacOS - User friendly but reduced power.

Pick one and stick to it, or use both, but please stop thrashing AOS, thanks

[AmigaHeretic]

I like how me becoming extremely annoyed at a lack of user friendlyness when attempting a basic task

Maybe you should go back and read how you posted....

User-startup shit
It's like they saw how (macos) and thought : "That's a great idea!, lets do something worse!"

How could they?  Amiga OS3.x was out 7 years after Amiga even came to market.  OS9 came out almost 15 YEARS after Amiga came out.  It's more likely Apple saw how Amiga did it, STOLE it and enhanced it over 8 more years of development cycles.  

Why the Hell should I have to...
god damned prefs file
Why is customizing AmigaOS ten times worse than doing it to the old Mac OS?
Why is it worse than doing it to LINUX?
I think commodore actually hated their customers.
they must have had to go out of their way to make it so hard
not bothered making it nice to use
Commodore had a year on them and couldn't get it right
OS 9 ten times better

Fishy_fiz gave a long post on trying to help you... Several other people also offered ideas, some also mentioned AFA_OS which really is a better way to go then the Birdie HACK..

then you go on some more...

I HAVE to assume the amiga is stupid
I want it to destroy all of my things and set fire to the carpet
Oh i'm not whinging because of a lack of knowledge. I'm whinging because a system as advanced as the amiga was definitely has some outdated ideas.


That where I posted that it does have outdated ideas i.e. it came out in 1992.  The entire Amiga line was only out for 7 years.  Mac had those years plus 8 MORE before OS 9.

People have said over and over Birdie is a HACK, what it does is not even suppose to be possible on Amiga oS3.x, so hence all the issues.  

It would be like me whining about how it's so HARD to install homebrew apps on my iPod touch.  Wah!!  I have to jailbreak and blah blah, OH It's so hard!!!   On my Android device I can just download apps and install them.


There are plenty of enhancements and commodity tools that work like one would expect.  ie.  Drag it into the Startup-Folder and it works.

So, yeah, looks like trolling to me.

[Nlandas]

So you just admitted the old mac os handles this better, while trying to insult me at the same time. That deserves another star trek facepalm to me.

I've got AFA_OS installed now, but I think I preferred the way birdie made it look. I think I'll have another go with that then.

Well geez, I don't know - people tend to insult people who are insulting. There are a lot of good chaps on here that will go out of their way to help you if you're nice about it. Besides posting obvious flame bait about how sh**ty the 1993 AmigaOS is versus Mac OS is bound to get a reaction.

I for one, hate the way Mac OS locks the user into a little square box and makes you jump through hoops to get out. If you like it great, go use it - as someone said you're Amiga will go to good use to someone else out there.

[Hell Labs]

Maybe you should go back and read how you posted....

How could they?  Amiga OS3.x was out 7 years after Amiga even came to market.  OS9 came out almost 15 YEARS after Amiga came out.  It's more likely Apple saw how Amiga did it, STOLE it and enhanced it over 8 more years of development cycles.  

Eh? System 7 did it the same way and came out in 1991. Even then the main change was to have a dedicated extentions folder, rather than just put the file in "system folder", which is how it worked in 1984.

Fishy_fiz gave a long post on trying to help you... Several other people also offered ideas, some also mentioned AFA_OS which really is a better way to go then the Birdie HACK..

The people trying to help me got buried under Nerdity induced rage, my bad.

That where I posted that it does have outdated ideas i.e. it came out in 1992.  The entire Amiga line was only out for 7 years.  Mac had those years plus 8 MORE before OS 9.

Actually System 7 pretty much finished the classic mac os. 7.1 - 9.2.2 were really just minor updates and features, and 8.0 had a new appearance hacked in. with a some extensions copied over (no text editing required :lol:) and a Resedit version number hack, system 7 runs anything the later versions do.

People have said over and over Birdie is a HACK, what it does is not even suppose to be possible on Amiga oS3.x, so hence all the issues.  

Kaleidoscope is an even bigger hack, again for system 7, yet has no issues barring making the screen flash once when you change theme. I should point out that Kaleidoscope replaces the entire GUI.

It would be like me whining about how it's so HARD to install homebrew apps on my iPod touch.  Wah!!  I have to jailbreak and blah blah, OH It's so hard!!!   On my Android device I can just download apps and install them.

Uhh? You can just download apps and install them on the iPod touch too, what's your point? And Jailbreaking is easy. Run a program on your pc, then hold down some buttons for a bit. Done.

There are plenty of enhancements and commodity tools that work like one would expect.  ie.  Drag it into the Startup-Folder and it works.

Well good then I should expect nothing less of AMIGAAAAAAAA!

So, yeah, looks like trolling to me.

That's... not what trolling is. Not even close. Having a differing opinion, and saying it, is not trolling. I mean, unless you work for the Chinese or North Korean governments.

If I was a troll, I'd have probably just signed up, immediately made an inflammatory post, then sat there laughing at the ensuring shitstorm while drinking vimto and wondering when local businesses will start hiring again because savings don't last forever.

I'm not a troll, Because I signed up a while back (and was lurking even when you could actually use an amiga to post here), made this thread to get help, got annoyed at amiga, then sat there annoyed at the ensuring shitstorm while drinking vimto and wondering when local businesses will start hiring again because savings don't last forever.

@Thorham: fair enough.

@Nlandas: Is my mac broke? I've never seen the little box you speak of. I'll look for it next time I boot it up.

[tone007]

wondering when local businesses will start hiring again because savings don't last forever.

Hell Labs' next job interview:

Human Resources: Good morning.

Hell Labs: What the hell is this crap, I had to turn a knob to get in this damn piece of trash building.  In MacOS 9, all I'd have to do is double click!

Human Resources: ...next.

[Hell Labs]

Hell Labs' next job interview:

Human Resources: Good morning.

Hell Labs: What the hell is this crap, I had to turn a knob to get in this damn piece of trash building.  In MacOS 9, all I'd have to do is double click!

Human Resources: ...next.

HR: a typically American thing. In a real country, it goes like this:

Manager: Morning.

Hell labs: Morning.

Manager: so what's your previous experience? it says here that you did *X* at *Y*

Hell labs: Yeah, I did X at Y.

Manager: welcome aboard.

Seriously. "human resources". Another great invention from the country that brought us spray on cheese and the car interior made of hard plastics.

[tone007]

Oh, they hire people like that in the US too.  Generally for jobs like shoveling animal crap out of stalls or bagging groceries.

[Hell Labs]

Oh, they hire people like that in the US too.  Generally for jobs like shoveling animal crap out of stalls or bagging groceries.

I'm not Mexican. Although it does anger me to no end how your society shits on them.

[tone007]

Surprise, surprise! Something else that angers old Hell Labs! Lets talk about these constant feelings of anger. Were you neglected as a child?  I'm sure the good members of this forum would be glad to help you find some peace of mind.

[Hell Labs]

Surprise, surprise! Something else that angers old Hell Labs! Lets talk about these constant feelings of anger.

Not constant, merely whenever something pisses me off. Sarcastic yankee bastards is one of them.

 

Were you neglected as a child?

Yes.

I'm sure the good members of this forum would be glad to help you find some peace of mind.

They probably won't be. I have pills for that, they don't work. I don't know what you think fleshy meat creatures the other end of the internet will do to help, when Modern chemistry does fuck all whatsoever.

[Karlos]

FFS guys, knock it off.

There are bound to be people out there that loved MacOS classic.

@Hell Labs

For a piece of software you might have a lot of fun with, look out for ShapeShifter or Fusion. You can relive the good old days then. I don't think either of them will run OS9, but 8 is certainly doable.

[Hell Labs]

FFS guys, knock it off.

There are bound to be people out there that loved MacOS classic.

@Hell Labs

For a piece of software you might have a lot of fun with, look out for ShapeShifter or Fusion. You can relive the good old days then. I don't think either of them will run OS9, but 8 is certainly doable.

Oh I know about those. The guy that started shapeshifter eventually went all out and rewrote it into basilisk II for pc, then sheepshaver which is pretty much the same thing but does PPC. And I don't think I'll be "reliving the good old days" when I can just turn on my other computer.:roflmao:

[Karlos]

Oh I know about those. The guy that started shapeshifter eventually went all out and rewrote it into basilisk II for pc, then sheepshaver which is pretty much the same thing but does PPC. And I don't think I'll be "reliving the good old days" when I can just turn on my other computer.:roflmao:

Suit yourself