Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

[klx300r]

Why not just go with a PPC Mac like MOS has?

cuz no used (or new) Apple products are allowed in my house:p

[Iggy]

The only thing I can imagine at this point, considering the PowerPC restirction forced upon us, would be something based on a many-core QorIQ, the 64bit version, with Altivec put back in. It's rumored that Altivec will return and be in some QorIQ chips, but not announced or known for sure

T5020 and T5040, successors to the P5010 and P5020 where shown in Freescale presentations a couple months ago.
It was also announced that these e5500 cored products would only be the first products that would receive an improved implementation of AltiVec.

While the P5010 and P5020 should only be reaching the market this summer (making the time line for successors questionable), they have been formally announced (and they are confirmed products).

The biggest problem I see with the e5500 cores is their support of fewer PCIe lanes (then the PA6T) and a somewhat restrictive number of lane configurations.

[Iggy]

cuz no used (or new) Apple products are allowed in my house:p

Never used one myself, ever, till now (not even an Apple II).
But PPC Mac runs MorphOS great and would work just as well for OS4.
My own bias against Steve Jobs and Apple does not extend to second hand hardware. After all, my purchase of this equipment does nothing to increase either Jobs or Apple's bank accounts.

Your attitude is emotional not rational.

But then, you are an Amiga community member.

[klx300r]

Your attitude is emotional not rational.

But then, you are an Amiga community member.

yup had that 'attitude' since 1983 & that ain't changing any time soon:afro:

[takemehomegrandma]

The only thing I can imagine at this point, considering the PowerPC restirction forced upon us, would be something based on a many-core QorIQ, the 64bit version, with Altivec put back in.

Multi-core, 64bit CPU's doesn't really bring anything beneficial to the table, since Amiga is neither 64bit nor SMP capable.

[agami]

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What else is coming that is 64bit, has Altivec, that many slots, etc? Sam460 is a good board, but it's a different performance/feature class item. And for those that want as high-end as possible, nothing else is known to be coming that would stomp all over the X1000, or even just somewhat surpass it.

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Nothing else is "coming" in terms of what can be used for an Amiga like platform, but there's been something delivered quite a few years back; PowerMac G5.

I've held onto my PowerBook G4 1.6 GHz and PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 Ghz for the sole purpose of running Morphos. BTW, I bought the PowerMac in 2008 for under A$500.00. After which I spent another A$500.00 for an LCD monitor, some extra RAM, extra hard disk, and USB Bluetooth. About a year ago I tried selling it on eBay for A$300.00 and nobody was interested. After hearing about Morphos on G5 I was glad nobody bought it.

[drHirudo]

I've held onto my PowerBook G4 1.6 GHz and PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 Ghz for the sole purpose of running Morphos. BTW, I bought the PowerMac in 2008 for under A$500.00. After which I spent another A$500.00 for an LCD monitor, some extra RAM, extra hard disk, and USB Bluetooth. About a year ago I tried selling it on eBay for A$300.00 and nobody was interested. After hearing about Morphos on G5 I was glad nobody bought it.

I guess you are gladly running MorphOS on your PowerMac G5. How is it? Can you show some viideos?

[lsmart]

Multi-core, 64bit CPU's doesn't really bring anything beneficial to the table, since Amiga is neither 64bit nor SMP capable.

Firstly multiprocessing doesn't have to be symetrical in order to bring a performance boost. Secondly 64bit will only give you metrical truckloads of RAM. Both can theoretically be useful on OS4 but we are talking about software that hasn't been written yet.

[the_leander]

Firstly multiprocessing doesn't have to be symetrical in order to bring a performance boost. Secondly 64bit will only give you metrical truckloads of RAM. Both can theoretically be useful on OS4 but we are talking about software that hasn't been written yet.

Doesn't that all more or less back up his initial statement that these shiny new wiz bang cpu's aren't going to bring much to the table?

[commodorejohn]

Doesn't that all more or less back up his initial statement that these shiny new wiz bang cpu's aren't going to bring much to the table?

I dunno - 64-bit addressing would at the very least be useful for multimedia production software - even if it uses 32-bit pointers, you can at least give it up to a full 4GB of RAM if it needs it.

[the_leander]

I dunno - 64-bit addressing would at the very least be useful for multimedia production software - even if it uses 32-bit pointers, you can at least give it up to a full 4GB of RAM if it needs it.

Only if the OS has support for something like PAE. And again we're back to there being little or no software that could take advantage of the functionality (the one possible exception being blender, however given that when I last saw that software demo'd it was more unstable than Charles Manson I'm tempted to discount even that).

[billt]

Why not just go with a PPC Mac like MOS has?

Because those who can decide such a thing choose not to. I've tried to suggest it in a better way than "Hyperion should port to MacPPC" forum posts. I've set up a web site to try and collect documentation for chips, as that was one of the big reasons against it. Other big reason was Amiga inc. licensing restrictions I believe, but I'm under the impression that this may not be as much of an obstacle since the lawsuit stuff concluded.

I've got an iBook G4 that I'd love to call my "Amiga laptop". But uncofrunately, that's outside of the rules imposed on us by the deciderers. :/

[billt]

Multi-core, 64bit CPU's doesn't really bring anything beneficial to the table, since Amiga is neither 64bit nor SMP capable.

I hate circular arguments.

10 They won't add that feature because there's no hardware!
20 They won't make that hardware because the software doesn't support it!
30 goto 10

If someone makes such a hardware, hey the X1000 is a dual-core 64bit PPC, then the software guys have something to test on rather than just do theoretical coding. You gotta start somewhere, and I think it's easier to start on the hardware side of this stupid loop.

[lsmart]

If someone makes such a hardware, hey the X1000 is a dual-core 64bit PPC, then the software guys have something to test on rather than just do theoretical coding. You gotta start somewhere, and I think it's easier to start on the hardware side of this stupid loop.

That was my point. I don´t know wheter I´d be able to afford an X1000 when it comes out, but I think that there is potential for some interesting software in the future.

I don´t plan to use more than 4GB of RAM in 2011, but I wouldn´t rule out that it is useful in the future. Today Blender and Gimp on a SAM impressed me. If there are only a few developers who love the X1000 and make something incredible, it will be a big benefit even to users who can´t afford it, because it will encourage all of us.

[number6]

@thread

(from public email)

London, 7th June 2011

A-EON Technology is pleased to announce that following an extensive test
programme Varisys are about to commence manufacturing the full complement of
Nemo 2 motherboards for the AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team. As part of the
pre-qualification process, Varisys have ported the PowerPC version of Debian
Squeeze to demonstrate that all onboard components and subsystems are
working as expected. The AmigaOS4 developers have also been busy porting the
latest
version of AmigaOS4.1.x

Cool Running

The energy efficiency of the PA Semi CPU was fully demonstrated during the
testing phase. A thermal imaging camera was used to measure the CPU and
board
temperatures while running Debian Squeeze in dual-core under full load
conditions. A maximum CPU/Heatsink/Fan assembly temperature of 31.1C was
recorded while playing a DVD on a software rendered 1920x1200 full screen
display. With the CPU fan disconnected the temperature rose to meagre 34.6C
with a CPU core temperature of 61C.

AmigaOne X1000 Update Article

We are also pleased to announce that the next issue of "Amiga Future"
magazine will contain a Nemo 2 update article. Issue 91 (July/August) should
be released in early July and can be ordered from the "Amiga Future" website
or your local Amiga reseller.

A-EON Technology CVBA

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[trekiej]

I was fixin' to post the email from Aeon.
Thanks.