Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

[Crom00]

Regarding UPDATES...Also the time to strike is now while the iron is hot. If you launch a webiste for a product then don't follow up with timely uodates you lose the interest of customers.

Holy Deja VU!!!...LOL...to quote from the new Battlestar Galactica...

"All of this has happened before...and it will happen again>"

[outlawal2]

I hope it will make for a nice computer. Sorry SAM users, but your hardware is **** compared with this. I really think they will drop the SAM line altogether or else make it much cheaper.... BYE-BYE Acube, nobody likes your cruddy hardware! I will probably have to sell my blood on the black market or something to foot this bill....

Actually your comment is ****...  I am always amused at folks that try to bring down others when they have absolutely NOTHING to offer.  The fact of the matter is that Acube have been the folks that have kept our dream alive and kicking for the last few years.  As for the SAM line, you may not like them as I am sure others may not, but there are also many people that DO love it.  And in case you haven't noticed, the SAM has been the ONLY viable option to keep the Amiga dream alive. I personally thank Acube for their efforts and commend them for taking the risks that they have to ensure that people like you and I HAVE an alternative option to the PC/MAC/LINUX triad as it stands today...  

MAYBE in a perfect world, this new machine will be the Cat's *** and be available at a reasonable price so that all of us that are salivating at the possibilities actually buy one...  THEN, once again in this perfect world, the SAM's will come down in price and be the viable entry level version... (Maybe a mobile version of the SAM for the first Amiga laptop and the X1000 being the desktop?)  I don't know, but I do know that insulting the only company that has worked with us and for us for the past few years is rude in the least...  

And downright STUPID

Once you pull out your own checkbook and fund a project like Acube has, THEN you may have the right to deride them...  But I haven't seen any $ except from Acube...  
And once again I thank them for their efforts.

[Crom00]

Despite all the hooting and hollaring, hemming and hawing... I applaud the efforts of Acube and Hyperion. Market conditions are what they are...

[arnljot]

Allow me to speculate.

Like, why can't we get a clear picture of the case?
A: It doesn't exist (yet), or the haven't recieved a tooling sample, or they're just too busy.

Why can't we get a high resolution of the motherboard?
A: They obvisously don't have their own board in hand or time to shoot pictures.

Why does the wesite look like its designed by amateurs from 1994?
A: Becuase it's a grage shop or small business and when it comes to web design you get what you pay for.

Why would the "higher upper ups" keep the CPU secret?
A: Becuase they don't have an offical supplier yet, or the deal sin't official yet.

What OS updates follows the new motherboard?
A: Slow updates as witnessed by the previous pace of updates.

Will there be a Radeon driver?
A: Eventually I suppose...

What other drivers will come with the OS?
A: Ideally all of them but with previous experience as a reference it may fall on the shoulders of the hobbyist to fill in the gaps for some drivers.

Seems like the community have been heard, or that they maybe have a strategy that pans longer than a day by day basis ;-P

Trevor Dick on whats ahead, just a little less cryptic

Despite all the hooting and hollaring, hemming and hawing... I applaud the efforts of Acube and Hyperion. Market conditions are what they are...

+1, I agree 100% Even though we all wish we could cheer on a stronger machine and a company with more resources. I'm glad A-Cube has competition, and that we have more choice.

[Crom00]

I can assure you guys that this isn't going to ship in at least 90 days or more. The reason well, if this is shipping as a COMPLETE system with a custom case... it takes about 90 days to tool ABS plastic start to finish. At least in my experience in China, and by the time you go to tooling the case design has been engineered, debugged, photographed and apporved by all invovled from marketing to retail customers. (in this case probably like 10 guys lol)

So if a case design exists it's gotta be well underway or in the final prototyping stages to see a mid-year ship date.

So my theory here is that this has been posted to generate interest and garner support from potential developers and us fanboys

If they're using an existing sheet metal frame and redressing the front ABS plastic front shave some time off that. If the case is totally custom start to finish it takes longer of course.

Either way, good luck guys... I do not mock you... I salute you!!!!

In my expierence we'd release press photos once we commited to tooling and signed off on that bill. Becuase there's really no return once chips are being fabbed abd steel molds made... not unless you want to take a bath of bibilical proprtions...

[arnljot]

Isn't there some public records we can search? If this is to be sold in the EU or US there gotta be a paper trail? French and German beaurocracy has conquered the world!

[bhoggett]

Bill...you were a value to the community...if possible, forget the past, move on, look for a brighter future!

Too many hold onto grudges of the past that really make no sense anymore.

Sorry, I don't really care about that - which is why I changed my avatar away from that old badge.

The comment I made comes purely from a consumer point of view. Offer me something that I consider exciting and worth my money* and I'll be positive about it.  Offer me something that I find so uninteresting I would not invest in it even if it was a quarter of the price and I'll just go "meh..."

I'll grant you my comments are very much those of an outsider these days, but then if you can't attract the outsiders what is likely to change? Maybe in 1985 being different for its own sake had some value - particularly since everyone was doing it - but now if you're going to be different you need to be better than the mainstream to have any hope of attracting and maintaining a true market. You'd have to say that this doesn't really qualify, either in hardware or software terms. Like I said, I'm an outsider now as I do all my work and play on different platforms and have no compelling reason to actively use Amigas any more - real or emulated. I'm looking at this as a passing (and passive) observer for old times' sake, nothing more.


* - according to my criteria, of course, since it's my money I'd have to invest.

[EDanaII]

No (real) need to explain yourself, Bill. While you might offend the "true believers" I think many of us agree with you. I loved the Amiga for what it once was. What it is today is another story entirely and it's sad that some people don't get it, including Hyperion. The only thing the Amiga has to offer us today is fond memories and as much as I enjoy those memories, 1 to 2 thousand dollars is just too much for me to relive them.

[outlawal2]

OK a lot of folks are complaining that this machine isn't the killer box that we all want...  This may be true, but look at things from the point of view of the business man trying to make a buck.  They have to generate enough cash to sustain this project and you can't do that by creating a machine that costs $10,000...  (Ask Steve Jobs about the Lisa)

Soo with that in mind, here is what I would do if I were king..

Work alongside Acube so they could continue refining the SAM as an entry level machine.  

1) Release the new X1000 with a price point of about $1100. US
     Let the Amiga community play with it, revise it, make interesting use of it's new   features etc...
While that is happening...
2) Acube refines the SAM and adds WIFI and tweaks it to fit into a NETBOOK package and call it something like the AMIBOOK.  Bundle a flavor of Linux with it... An easy and friendly version like Ubuntu.  This is CRUCIAL to my plan.) Create a truly KILLER browser for OS4.x and include it and a decent email program in this netbook
3) Find a store that has a decent infrastructure to sell these things. (An upscale store would be best and market this as an upscale Netbook)
By packaging Linux you get the Linux crowd interested, and once they are our numbers will double overnite AND we will gain programmers as well.  Also, remember that Netbooks only need to do 3 things. Connect WIFI, SURF and email. We all know OS4 does a LOT more, but these 3 are VITAL to making this work.
4) Now that we have gained notice with a killer Netbook and the magazines are favorably reviewing them, take the proceeds from the Netbook sales and hire a few folks to help with programming, updates and such and then...
5) NOW create the killer machine that we all want, because now there is a decent customer base to work with, reducing the costs. Also, by this time there will be enough positive buzz that some software and hardware companies will be interested and NOW WE HAVE OUR BELOVED AMIGA BACK!

[jj]

Okay, maybe I should have worded my post differently. But to speculate that A-Cube is involved, when they've said they're not involved is close to calling them liars. It's not okay in my book unless one can show they've lied in the past or have proof that they lie today.

It's this ingoring certain things that's been said by A-EON and others that annoy me in this ongoing debate on the AmigaOne X1000. It's not you spesifically JJ, it's other people too here.

Like the continuing insistance by many that this is a "tuned" POC/demo board. Why would we not accept A-EONs word that it's a new board designed to their specifications? Why isn't that good enough, to those of you who advocate that it's not, why not find the proof, and stop spreading FUD.

There are things that's strange in this. Why are we not focusing on that? Those issues are getting lost in the noise over less issues IMHO.

Like, why can't we get a clear picture of the case?
Why can't we get a high resolution of the motherboard?
Why does the wesite look like its designed by amateurs from 1994?
Why would the "higher upper ups" keep the CPU secret?
What OS updates follows the new motherboard?
Will there be a Radeon driver?
What other drivers will come with the OS?

Lots of questions still, but instead we pick and pick on things that for the most part have been answered.

Sigh. Perhaps I'm a pedant...

Sorry I did not realise this was what you were getting at.  I had not read anything saying that A-cube were not involved.  I was just specualting.  Bu stand corrected.  Been so much stuff posted skimmed a lot of it.

[Karlos]

Tbh all this xmos crap seems like a waste of time nobody will ever use for anything.

Oh, I dunno. It's supposed to be a event-driven processor right? You could always use it to perfectly read your joystick port in "realtime" without any CPU induced latency.

That would be a big win to one guy around here

[dammy]

Oh, I dunno. It's supposed to be a event-driven processor right? You could always use it to perfectly read your joystick port in "realtime" without any CPU induced latency.

That would be a big win to one guy around here

I'll bite, what game does OS4 run that requires such low latency?

[Karlos]

I'll bite, what game does OS4 run that requires such low latency?

Maybe someone can remake Daley Thompson's Decathlon. You had to waggle that digital joystick but good to get his speed up for the long jump. Timing there would be everything :laughing:

[Marcb]

Maybe someone can remake Daily Thompson's Decathlon. You had to waggle that digital joystick but good to get his speed up for the long jump. Timing there would be everything :laughing:

I hate to be pedantic but his name is " Daley":laughing:

Never was very good at this game on the 64, I was a summer olympics from Epyx man myself...

[Karlos]

^ Not according to his missus - allegedly...

(stupid spell checker)

[weirdami]

How is Hyperion connected with this?