Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

[zylesea]

I think the XCore chip on the X1000 is wired to the main memory bus in such a way that it can be a slave processor for replacing interrupts with.  The author of the Radeon drivers for OS 4 said as much on this amigaworld.net thread.  See post #21.

Would make sense, but still not a big difference than to hook it up to the pci bus. As soon as it want have access to shared system routines it needs to trigger an interrupt at the host cpu to get permission. Better than hooking up to usb (where the stack must trigger an sw interrupt), but not much different than any other dma access (e.g. by a pci card)...

[arnljot]

Hans isn't an official OS4 radeon driver writer as far as I know. I followed that thread and I read his post as his interpretation of what the XMOS is. Not factual knowledge.

[Boudicca]

I was thinking cool from the point that no one would know what it was. I don't even go to Starbucks, but I would make a point of going a couple of times just to flash something people there had never seen before...and yes, I mean an Amiga and not my wanger.

From Boudicca's Evil Alter Ego...Boobica: Ah I though it was just me, but your right, there seems to be a thing about going into Starbuck's and flashing their wares......Frankly, its pretty dumb as I go for a coffee and piss myself laughing at the lonely folks in tweed jackets pretending to look like they had a flashy laptop and career, I always assumed they were unemployed and couldn't afford heating or their own wireless broadband. Anyone with a proper job and a laptop meet in Hotels or Pubs....its a tool.....not a Gucci Handbag.

If your into cool things to go and show off, the in thing is any Android Phone, specially the new Google phone, iPhone is so last year.

[RMK305]

NOt into buying all the must have stuff when it comes out to be honest, but always live in hope that something new that is Amiga comes out that I really want to buy. It still remains to be seen.

[dreamcast270mhz]

I hope it will make for a nice computer. Sorry SAM users, but your hardware is **** compared with this. I really think they will drop the SAM line altogether or else make it much cheaper.... BYE-BYE Acube, nobody likes your cruddy hardware! I will probably have to sell my blood on the black market or something to foot this bill....

[Hell Labs]

Tbh all this xmos crap seems like a waste of time nobody will ever use for anything. The site makes it look like this will get some serious use in business environments, when it won't. If this was 2003 they'd have NASA on board ( Although it's a lot different to the classic amigas they used, the brand recognition would help a hell of a lot, not to mention it's probably better for real time than a peecee), but it isn't, and they don't. I'd rather they used the time to make this to improve classic compatibility instead. I mean, they have a 3.1 license, they could just sandbox 68k apps the same way "classic" mode in osx worked. Then we could happily have hardware banging stuff running again, and they could pull a finger out their arse and finally give us memory protection, user accounts and some form of security at all for OS4 native.

What's more important to you, compatibility or a useless gimmick chip that nobody needs?

EDIT: depending on how much the price compares to a second hand Mac Mini G4 i'll buy one. Unless a WinUAE dev finds a clue and puts in PPC emulation.

[SamuraiCrow]

Hans isn't an official OS4 radeon driver writer as far as I know. I followed that thread and I read his post as his interpretation of what the XMOS is. Not factual knowledge.

http://hdrlab.org.nz/ is his webpage.  He's writing the Radeon HD series drivers for AOS 4 as you can see from there.  Do you think he is doing this on an unofficial capacity or something?

[MskoDestny]

I think the XCore chip on the X1000 is wired to the main memory bus in such a way that it can be a slave processor for replacing interrupts with.  The author of the Radeon drivers for OS 4 said as much on this amigaworld.net thread.  See post #21.

I don't think he said what you think he said. He said that essentially a hardware thread can wake up with very low latency in response to an I/O event essentially like an IRQ on a traditional CPU. Not that it was hooked up into the IRQ routing of the rest of the board. I don't see how it could be given that all the I/O lines are routed to the Xorro slot and the only other signals are power, a few control signals and JTAG.

[nyteschayde]

Apparently I'm in the minority thinking that it would be cool to have this functionality in a machine. Getting emulation cores running on the XMOS could offer great functionality. That alone would be a big benefit. It would be cool to somehow adapt one of the XMOS dev kits to interface with my A1200T running OS4 classic. I am not sure what I'd run on it but wonder if it would outperform my not-so-speedy 603e.

Tbh all this xmos crap seems like a waste of time nobody will ever use for anything. The site makes it look like this will get some serious use in business environments, when it won't. If this was 2003 they'd have NASA on board ( Although it's a lot different to the classic amigas they used, the brand recognition would help a hell of a lot, not to mention it's probably better for real time than a peecee), but it isn't, and they don't. I'd rather they used the time to make this to improve classic compatibility instead. I mean, they have a 3.1 license, they could just sandbox 68k apps the same way "classic" mode in osx worked. Then we could happily have hardware banging stuff running again, and they could pull a finger out their arse and finally give us memory protection, user accounts and some form of security at all for OS4 native.

What's more important to you, compatibility or a useless gimmick chip that nobody needs?

EDIT: depending on how much the price compares to a second hand Mac Mini G4 i'll buy one. Unless a WinUAE dev finds a clue and puts in PPC emulation.

[joemango]

I will make my judgments when it is available to purchase.   Until then, nothing.  No sense flailing about when it isn't real yet.  I've gotten overly excited about Amiga vaporware so many times in the last 20 years that it hurts to remember.

Good luck to them.  Let me know when I can buy/touch one.  Not pre-order, not "join the club and get a discount when it is released".

[Matt_H]

I hope it will make for a nice computer. Sorry SAM users, but your hardware is Shi'ite compared with this. I really think they will drop the SAM line altogether or else make it much cheaper.... BYE-BYE Acube, nobody likes your cruddy hardware! I will probably have to sell my blood on the black market or something to foot this bill....

Geez, lighten up, will ya? So the Sam's not for you. That's no reason to slam those who are enjoying it. ACube's been carrying the proverbial torch on hardware  - at great financial risk - for about two years. Kudos to them for providing a solution for those who wanted it when no one else would.

[Matt_H]

Some thoughts on this new board:

Granted, I was not following the reveal puzzle very closely, but it's signifance was a bit lost on me. Was there a point to the gold/black color theme? Did the puzzle make it anywhere outside the community other than OSNews? I thought the big reveal was timed to coincide with CES, but did anything happen there? Then to announce the complete system with no CPU and only a peek at the case, wow, that killed a lot of momentum. And frankly, I thought the "Don't worry your pretty little head about it" regarding the CPU was extremely patronizing.

That being said, this does look like a fine board. Plenty of modern slots and ports. Slightly disappointing they didn't go full bleeding edge with USB 3.0, but not a dealbreaker. I've seen a lot of "What the hell is the XMOS chip for?" postings, but I think the XMOS is kinda nifty. Clearly drawn from the "if it's there, people will use it" school of logic. It's a new tool that I hope will see some creative programming. Disseminating Amiga-centric dev kits for it will be key; hopefully a full SDK will be available with the OS install, not "in a few weeks".

At the same time, I'm interested to see what software changes will be made to OS4. I suspect that the so-called 4.1.1 will be what 4.1 should have been (instead of a hasty commercial response to MorphOS2). I've criticized the Unix-y direction Hyperion has been taking OS4, maybe the new release will start to clean things up.

With the rumor mill suggesting the Apple tablet will be $1000+ and not run OSX, my interest in it is vastly diminished. Since it might not be too much more expensive than a Mac, maybe the new A1 will get my money instead (though I've got to save my pennies for a Powerbook for MorphOS as well)

[zylesea]

Some thoughts on this new board:

Granted, I was not following the reveal puzzle very closely, but it's signifance was a bit lost on me. Was there a point to the gold/black color theme?

XMOS uses his colors.

Did the puzzle make it anywhere outside the community other than OSNews?

The news kind of made it to the online edition of Nowegian Dagblad. That's kind of success I'd say.

I thought the big reveal was timed to coincide with CES, but did anything happen there? Then to announce the complete system with no CPU and only a peek at the case, wow, that killed a lot of momentum. And frankly, I thought the "Don't worry your pretty little head about it" regarding the CPU was extremely patronizing.

I doubt there is a secret über-CPU. But all this half inforatio is rather oring I liked the initial game, but not revealing all the details in the end - bad idea.

That being said, this does look like a fine board. Plenty of modern slots and ports. Slightly disappointing they didn't go full bleeding edge with USB 3.0, but not a dealbreaker. I've seen a lot of "What the hell is the XMOS chip for?" postings, but I think the XMOS is kinda nifty. Clearly drawn from the "if it's there, people will use it" school of logic. It's a new tool that I hope will see some creative programming. Disseminating Amiga-centric dev kits for it will be key; hopefully a full SDK will be available with the OS install, not "in a few weeks".

At the same time, I'm interested to see what software changes will be made to OS4. I suspect that the so-called 4.1.1 will be what 4.1 should have been (instead of a hasty commercial response to MorphOS2). I've criticized the Unix-y direction Hyperion has been taking OS4, maybe the new release will start to clean things up.

I kind of doubt that.

With the rumor mill suggesting the Apple tablet will be $1000+ and not run OSX, my interest in it is vastly diminished. Since it might not be too much more expensive than a Mac, maybe the new A1 will get my money instead (though I've got to save my pennies for a Powerbook for MorphOS as well)

Never got the buzz about the tablet pc. Basically that is just a touchscreen driven notebook. I fail to see the innovation there.

[slayer]

Where does this leave ACube....out in the cold?  What about all the recent SAM buyers, how are they going to feel when/if Hyperion drop support (as per Classic 4.0 users).

Some of us like usual always pave the way... I have 2 SAMs and don't feel a thing... If they'd released AmigaOS4.x for the x86 I think I would have been sick however...

This new Amiga is Great and I love the custom Chip thing... I've always felt elite because I've always and only used an Amiga... So, nothings changed... LOL

I'll buy this new model as soon as its out... and you can bet your bottom dollar mine will have max memory... although I doubt even I would go over 8 gigs if it was an option...

Its funny to read some of your posts when a few months ago you were swearing the Amiga wasn't going anywhere... lol

I've always preached Amiga doesn't need anything, it'll be fine :-)

And I'll say what I always say to finish, even if nothing comes after this model, hells teeth man, it's going to be a snappy mean ride for the rest of my life... Oooo yeah!

Well done Rogue and Team!

[koaftder]

define elite

[arnljot]

http://hdrlab.org.nz/ is his webpage.  He's writing the Radeon HD series drivers for AOS 4 as you can see from there.  Do you think he is doing this on an unofficial capacity or something?

I know his site, I've donated to this cause. Hans doesn't have an AmigaOne X1000. If he did this in an official capacity, I would expect him to have a developer machine like Rouge does.