Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

[MarkTime]

"I am trying... -really, really hard- not to say anything negative... I really am "

Not me.   Rumours don't build excitement, I could care less about this vaporware.  Frankly they thought of it one night, and posted a story about it the next.  This is still in the pipe dream phase of the project.

Now, I admit over the years, these companies from time to time do release a software update - unfortunately the direction they went with OS 4 was a tragic mistake.  Still a horrible OS after all this time, and always will be, they punted on the opportunity to correct its shortcomings.

But as they do sometimes release an OS, and sometimes a hardware partner does surface for a few months to sell a few hundred boards... maybe we will see something, but until that day....BORING.

[EDS.bod]

i must say at the beginning i thought this new design might be something what most amigans wanted, but now i hesitate again. i just dont see what an average user could get out of that.

I don't think the average user WILL get anything extra out of the design that they can't get out of a SAM already.  But then, the X1000 isn't really intended for the average user.

Those who can't see what's special about the new design - well - you simply need to exercise your imagination a bit (or alot more) more.  I really hate the phrase but you really need to think outside the box on this one.  Programmers had to change their techniques to really make the most of the Amiga's custom chipset (remember the bog stndard Atari to Amiga p[orts in the early days) - it's going to be the same here.  Those asking for more info from A-EON about what the design can do - as already hinted by the designers, don't ask them, ask yourself.

You'll find out what it can do when the hardware is in the hands of us coders.

Why putting those things on Xorro when a usb or pci will do, too.

Do you want a "meh, it'll do" solution or a "Jesus - that's perfect" solution?

Exactly... It'll no doubt be a boost for the enthusiasts who like this sort of system, but for the rest of the computing world it'll (unfortunately) be just as relevant as the AmigaOne, Sam, Efika or Minimig...

And that's the way I like it personally.  I don't want the guy who's sat next to me at work to have this, the same way as I don't want my nextdoor neighbour to have the same Westfield that I drive.

Remember - you don't have to sell a million units for a company to be successful and profitable.

[koaftder]

This just might be the final nail in the Hyperion coffin. They really botched the PR on this X1000 product. A week of baiting hype followed up by focusing on this XMOS chip. A lot of folks are jazzed about this little embedded processor and coming up with some really bizarre ideas about what it will be capable of. Some lame (nothing wrong with that), others impractical, some impossible. The expectations are high and this thing ain't gonna deliver. Well, not unless hyperion writes all the code themselves, which they won't.

For every 20 people who come up with fantastical crazy ideas about stuff the XMOS chip isn't suited for, perhaps 1 person will code a demo to render a fractal or something on it? Maybe blink some LEDs?

What Hyperion needed to do was have a motherboard ready for sale day one of their website launch. Something reasonably fast to run AOS4 and demonstrate that they're alive and committed to their OS. Instead we got 5 days of more hype, nothing to buy, and rabid amigans fantasizing about weird little embedded chips.

If I wanted to play with the XMOS chip, I wound't buy an Amiga to do that, I'd buy the $99 dev kit and plug it into a windows machine where I could actually use the development tools.

[wiser3]

One thing i noticed missing from the X1000 motherboard is wireless support. Where's wifi?

[Crom00]

That website sure doen't help the cause... that desgin repels customers. Again this is a niche market at best. At least someone is finally doing SOMETHING...

[Delta]

One thing i noticed missing from the X1000 motherboard is wireless support. Where's wifi?

Hopefully most wireless PCI cards will be supported for this purpose.

[jj]

And using wireless and on a non portable desktop is just crazzzzzyyyyyy.   If you don't want to have wires running from a router somewhere else use network plugs.  Much much better than wirelss

[arnljot]

JJ, we need wireless. That wired networking is better (robust and faster) isn't an argument as to why we can live without wireless.

Cables are nasty, you trip over them and loose family members in nasy fall accidents :LOL:

[persia]

Exactly, I've dumped cables in my house long ago.  My ADSL gets only 4 Mbs, Wireless is faster than that anywhere in the house and back garden.  My video machine (Mac Pro) is hardwired to my server but not to the internet.  That's really the only place it makes sense.

[jj]

yes I have just bought a N300 wirelss router that does practically 270MB but I am not taking about cables I am taking about the network plugs that use the electrccitiy sockets much much better solution than wireless for desktops.
 
Wireless is great for portable devices but pointless for permanent desktops

[EDS.bod]

This just might be the final nail in the Hyperion coffin.

I disagree - I think this will make Hyperion.

They really botched the PR on this X1000 product.

Actually I think it was quite ingenious.

A week of baiting hype followed up by focusing on this XMOS chip. A lot of folks are jazzed about this little embedded processor and coming up with some really bizarre ideas about what it will be capable of. Some lame (nothing wrong with that), others impractical, some impossible. The expectations are high and this thing ain't gonna deliver. Well, not unless hyperion writes all the code themselves, which they won't.

Expectations are high and results will be high.  I don't they've overhyped it at all.  Those that say the chip is overhyped and it wont do that much don't really understand the impact it can have when integrated in a system such as the X1000, especially with an OS like AmigaOS with a large community of programmers that already understands how to code for a system with such an architecture.

For every 20 people who come up with fantastical crazy ideas about stuff the XMOS chip isn't suited for, perhaps 1 person will code a demo to render a fractal or something on it? Maybe blink some LEDs?

They'll be 20 great ideas, loads of non completed projects but it will be that one amazing, complete, functional app that sets the worl alight.

What Hyperion needed to do was have a motherboard ready for sale day one of their website launch.

No more mobo only launches - I want a complete product to buy.

Something reasonably fast to run AOS4 and demonstrate that they're alive and committed to their OS.

Who says they aren't dedicated to OS4?

Instead we got 5 days of more hype, nothing to buy, and rabid amigans fantasizing about weird little embedded chips.

Hype sells stuff - simple as.  And Amiga fans are always rabid - it's just who we are.  We'd be rabid about a coffee cup with an Amiga logo on it.

If I wanted to play with the XMOS chip, I wound't buy an Amiga to do that, I'd buy the $99 dev kit and plug it into a windows machine where I could actually use the development tools.

But you'd only have an xmos dev kit that could only do xmos stuff - not an Amiga that can do so much more.


For every fanatic Amiga fan there is an Ex Amiga user deriding the platform - such is the way of the universe.  I look forward to the challenge of producing an app that will change your mind.

One thing i noticed missing from the X1000 motherboard is wireless support. Where's wifi?

My £250 pc mobo doesn't have wireless.  Leaving it off is a good call imho - more money for other stuff.

That website sure doen't help the cause... that desgin repels customers. Again this is a niche market at best. At least someone is finally doing SOMETHING...

I like the website - nice retro feeling in keeping with the Amiga scene.  Re the niche issue - I wouldn't be interested if it wasn't a niche product :-)  Even at the height of it's popularity, the Amiga was nothing more than a niche product - and all the better for it imho.

[gazgod]

yes I have just bought a N300 wirelss router that does practically 270MB but I am not taking about cables I am taking about the network plugs that use the electrccitiy sockets much much better solution than wireless for desktops.
 
Wireless is great for portable devices but pointless for permanent desktops

I agree with you, I networked my own entire house (5 rooms) for about £150 using ethernet over mains plugs, yes i have WIFI but that is firewalled from my network and purely used for internet access.

As no Amiga (or Amigalike) OS has any any WIFI support better than WEP (which is so easily hacked its a joke) you might as well not bother with any security.

Gaz

[Crumb]

Hopefully most wireless PCI cards will be supported for this purpose.

That's unlikely since there's just one amigaos wifi driver for old cards and it was written by an AROS coder. No new wifi drivers since years.

[spihunter]

I think its pretty damn funny that over on the other Amiga sites its all dancing bannana's and everyone screaming saviour and here its one big MEH!!!!!!  
Just a funny observation!

[Boudicca]

I'd buy the $99 dev kit and plug it into a windows machine where I could actually use the development tools.

hmmmm sounds a bit cheap....was it Heathkit.....last dev kit with of any use I've seen costs a few bob more than that. Current Atmel and Arm kits are in the several hundred area and anything with a screen and keyboard you need be in the trade already. The current "Hardware" development is aimed at the trade not the innovators, its time that balance was redressed.

[Boudicca]

I agree with you, I networked my own entire house (5 rooms) for about £150 using ethernet over mains plugs, yes i have WIFI but that is firewalled from my network and purely used for internet access.

As no Amiga (or Amigalike) OS has any any WIFI support better than WEP (which is so easily hacked its a joke) you might as well not bother with any security.

Gaz

I just drilled holes. Nuff Said ! Then again.....there is awful lot of Cat5e running round the house