New Hyperion Entertainment Website http://a-eon.com/ - The Mystery Continues

[Argus]

All this talk of x86 this...x86 that....

Has it ever occurred to anyone the x86 viability roadmap is coming to an end, even with multiple cores?  Perhaps the new hardware is onto something with the nod, assisted of course at first by a beefed up PPC 'co-processor', to the use of a transputer.

I personally don't think Intel even knows the future in any certain terms, as the P4 debacle probably best most recently illustrated when they fell behind AMD, albeit briefly.

[Hell Labs]

Conversation going back to how it's all Commodore managements fault in 3...2...1...



Right then, Can we go back to speculation about what the machine will actually be like when we get to buy it?

[Zac67]

Has it ever occurred to anyone the x86 viability roadmap is coming to an end, even with multiple cores?

Has it? I can't see that anywhere. I can see false moves with Intel's P4 and - even more apparent - Itanium's 64 bit approach (not a bad design for a start, but bad migration path & marketing) . But AMD's 64 bit move has put so much fresh air into everything x86 that it's here to stay.

x86/64 is absolutely dominant in the professional segment, the home computing & gaming segment and super-computing. If Intel's plans work out it'll even dominate the embedded market but that remains to be seen. IBM's Power has some niche it still defends, but nobody knows how long that's gonna last. Everything else is pretty much dead or dying - PA-Risc, Alpha, Sparc. ARM & MIPS have conquered their markets but not without threat from x86.

[Hell Labs]

*sticks fingers in ears*

So What do you think the chances of an amiga keyboard coming out are?

[cv643d]

Interesting comments.

Late last year I sold my 4.1 system. While it was seriously fun to be able to run Workbench on such super fast hardware natively as a 1 GHz G4 the whole machine lacked purpose. And I hate to own "stuff" that do not fill a purpose so I sold it.

Thats why I hoped for x86 port of AmigaOS4.1, run it on cheap hardware.

How dumb I was.

AmigaOS x86 was before my eyes all the time: AROS

[zylesea]

Redrumola, your idea is good. Having OS4 running on macs is a good deal. G5's that were $1200 or more are now $275-$350 second hand. Then port AmigaOS to x86.

Well, actually there is an OS available that runs on ppc Mac hardware and provides legacy compability and all this stuff. It doesn't has the name though, but a very beautiful logo instead... If you have a spare Mac mini G4 around trying it out is just a download away. PowerMac G4 and eMac support is also coming. Later on probably even for some powerbooks. That surely doesn't mean MorphOS would be "the solution", but it provides some fun and usefulness w/o dreaming of resurrecting some long gone states where the successor lead the IT world for a few years...
I think it is more about what is possible now with limited resources or "better a sparrow in your hand than a dove at the roof".

[arnljot]

AmigaOS x86 was before my eyes all the time: AROS

Well spoken! AROS is actually quite good. Yes it doesn't run 68k, unlike MOS and AOS4 it doesn't have a 68k emmulator.

Some new ideas has to be brought into AROS, atm endianess limits stops the efforts to bring a 68k emmulator to AROS.

Perhaps mr Hayne can give the AROS devs ideas and inspiration to break out of the endianess haze... :-P

[arnljot]

*sticks fingers in ears*

So What do you think the chances of an amiga keyboard coming out are?

Slim to none :-)

[Hell Labs]

Interesting comments.

Late last year I sold my 4.1 system. While it was seriously fun to be able to run Workbench on such super fast hardware natively as a 1 GHz G4 the whole machine lacked purpose. And I hate to own "stuff" that do not fill a purpose so I sold it.

Thats why I hoped for x86 port of AmigaOS4.1, run it on cheap hardware.

How dumb I was.

AmigaOS x86 was before my eyes all the time: AROS

I suppose you could have sold your regular computer and used the amiga instead. I spent most of 2008 using nothing but a G3 era iMac (one of the SLOW ones) and OS 9.2 and I got used to it. To be honest there was nothing I couldn't do apart from play modern games, and I regret building my uberpc instead of keeping the money. Funnily enough I still think OS9 beats windows 7 in every way imaginable.

Slim to none :-)

Ahh, 'tis a shame.

[runequester]

Has it? I can't see that anywhere. I can see false moves with Intel's P4 and - even more apparent - Itanium's 64 bit approach (not a bad design for a start, but bad migration path & marketing) . But AMD's 64 bit move has put so much fresh air into everything x86 that it's here to stay.

x86/64 is absolutely dominant in the professional segment, the home computing & gaming segment and super-computing. If Intel's plans work out it'll even dominate the embedded market but that remains to be seen. IBM's Power has some niche it still defends, but nobody knows how long that's gonna last. Everything else is pretty much dead or dying - PA-Risc, Alpha, Sparc. ARM & MIPS have conquered their markets but not without threat from x86.

x86 is pretty dominant indeed, though its worth noting that all three current generation consoles use powerPC and consoles rule gaming with an iron fist.

The embedded market seems to be an interesting place for new stuff coming up and showing itself. Very refreshing.

[Hell Labs]

Suppose PPC will be fine for us for a while then, so long as we don't mind only low and low-mid end hardware. If the next gen consoles use something else other than PPC there'll be no steam behind the architecture, and we'll be buggered. again.

Excuse me while I fire up the time machine and rob a bank to fund escom.

[runequester]

Suppose PPC will be fine for us for a while then, so long as we don't mind only low and low-mid end hardware. If the next gen consoles use something else other than PPC there'll be no steam behind the architecture, and we'll be buggered. again.

Excuse me while I fire up the time machine and rob a bank to fund escom.

If we're bringing in time machines, I'd make sure IBM rather than Gateway gets the spoils after Escom.. then twist whatever arms I need to, to have the amiga OS released as open source as soon as damn possible, and lean back and see what the world can come up with

[Nlandas]

Slim to none :-)

Someone will make an Amiga 4000 keyboard to USB adapter.

http://ezhid.sourceforge.net/amikbd.html

Use Keyrah to turn an A600/A1200 into a USB keyboard.

http://eabmobile.abime.net/showthread.php?p=335648

It wouldn't be that hard to have some Amiga keys molded to replace the Windows keys on a USB keyboard.

[Hell Labs]

If we're bringing in time machines, I'd make sure IBM rather than Gateway gets the spoils after Escom.. then twist whatever arms I need to, to have the amiga OS released as open source as soon as damn possible, and lean back and see what the world can come up with

Sod that, I'm going back to the pet era and making sure the Commodore 8-bit machines are all compatible and expandable like an apple ][, that MOS tech develops the 6502 up to present day, and that the amiga is properly developed and marketed. No stupid crap like the C64gs, cdtv, cd32, or A600 neither. MOS Tech would develop 68k processors...

Im aiming to have the computer industry split between Apple macintosh, Apple ][, NeXT, C64 successors, Acorn risc and Amiga. William Gates was mysteriously found dead in an alley after a deal to write altair basic went badly wrong.

Assuming that commodore's fate is unavoidable, escom would be the priority.

Now all I need is a 1980s irish sports car.

[amiga92570]

Actually, I find this all rather amusing. If this were a movie, it would be a person stranded on on island in search of some type of craft almost capable of getting him to the mainland. Oh sh@T, I have already seen it. Gilligans Island

[takemehomegrandma]

I'm guessing there is a 3rd way, which is what MorphOS finally did in supporting 2nd hand PPC Macs.

I agree!

You can get HW for $50-$350 depending on what you need and want. Support for Mac Mini is here today, support for PowerMac is close, and after that follows (probably) the PowerBook support. Desktop to Laptop, via the Mini.

A Mac Mini 1.4 GHz is about 2x as fast as a Pegasos2 in some areas. And you can get it from everywhere.

A little late IMO, but better now than never.

They obviously focused on getting a full MorphOS 2.0 out. Then they had to deliver the Efika 5200B port (which they could have done much earlier, based on some 1.4.x version, but this is how it was played out).

This is not a solution for world domination, but give retro hobbyist something nice to play with at a dirt cheap price. Hyperion taking this route with OS4 would have made more sense to me.

If either the MorphOS team or Hyperion really want to take a run at mainstream, I don't see any other option than x86.

I agree:

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=6684&sortname=&sortorder=&sortdays=&viewmode=flat&order=0&start=171