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Re: New Hyperion Entertainment Website http://a-eon.com/ - The Mystery Continues
« Reply #509 from previous page: January 08, 2010, 07:13:42 PM »
Rogue says in the interview that Intel is the only real CPU alternative. But he also says that he's not talking for Hyperion and that it's not in the cards as they don't have the time or resources to do it. That's why it's not a topic for discussion.

For all Amiga Intel fans, they should put their energy into AROS for now. Not into nagging MOS or AOS4 devs.
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..or use one of the already existing and well-supported ones!

This.


This is how {bleep} the Amiga platform is. Yet we stick around anyway. Are we insane? Overly loyal? Hell, I was born a couple of years before the amiga died anyway, why am I even here?


Well, it's a kind of cool system and the demoscene amazes me. And I can't go outside because we're a foot and a half under the snow and I have to use a hairdryer to get a drink.

Why are you guys here? Spock is fascinated.
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I wouldnt be an "intel fanboy", but I am a realist.

x86 / x64 is the only way.

The OS is going to have to be rewritten at some stage.

Might as well start now...

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This.
This is how fraked the Amiga platform is. Yet we stick around anyway. Are we insane? Overly loyal?


Here's my theory.... The Amiga Saga is like a long, tedious, and not very well written (by several authors) novel.... but by this time, we've invested too much time into it to just give up on it. Next time wait for the movie. ;-)

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I wouldnt be an "intel fanboy", but I am a realist.

x86 / x64 is the only way.

The OS is going to have to be rewritten at some stage.

Might as well start now...

I'm guessing there is a 3rd way, which is what MorphOS finally did in supporting 2nd hand PPC Macs. A little late IMO, but better now than never. This is not a solution for world domination, but give retro hobbyist something nice to play with at a dirt cheap price. Hyperion taking this route with OS4 would have made more sense to me.

If either the MorphOS team or Hyperion really want to take a run at mainstream, I don't see any other option than x86.
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I wouldnt be an "intel fanboy", but I am a realist.

x86 / x64 is the only way.

The OS is going to have to be rewritten at some stage.

Might as well start now...


Thinking about it, They could break compatibility with existing software and add memory protection/security/accounts without a total rewrite. Then they could have the old OS4 running in an emulator transparently.

Unlike apple, they could do this because (i'm assuming) They actually bothered to document the code, and there isn't the whole singletasking-no-wait-shoehorn-cooperative-multitasking-oh-look-it-crashes-what-a-surprise-insert-a-nanokernel-pointlessly-still-crashes-oh-sod-it-rename-NeXTStep-instead problem to deal with.
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If only more people could understand that it's Aros that needs to be backed up. Aros have fought the up hill battle for so long and finally it starts to feel like a modern Amiga. I don't want Aros to be "Amiga" I don't need the name, I just need the feeling. I want Aros to be "just Aros" an Amiga inspired OS.

You won't see Amiga OS4 on x86 ever (ok in my life time then), that's why I lost interest in OS4 ages ago. I refuse to pay for overpriced hardware that is overpriced only because it's produced in so small quantities that it makes it expensive. What's the point in that ? I might as well give that 400 euros (only a guess) extra  I pay directly to a developer instead or to a bounty to gain something software wise. That would be better.
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Redrumola, your idea is good. Having OS4 running on macs is a good deal. G5's that were $1200 or more are now $275-$350 second hand. Then port AmigaOS to x86.
 

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If only more people could understand that it's Aros that needs to be backed up. Aros have fought the up hill battle for so long and finally it starts to feel like a modern Amiga. I don't want Aros to be "Amiga" I don't need the name, I just need the feeling. I want Aros to be "just Aros" an Amiga inspired OS.

You won't see Amiga OS4 on x86 ever (ok in my life time then), that's why I lost interest in OS4 ages ago. I refuse to pay for overpriced hardware that is overpriced only because it's produced in so small quantities that it makes it expensive. What's the point in that ? I might as well give that 400 euros (only a guess) extra  I pay directly to a developer instead or to a bounty to gain something software wise. That would be better.


I tried AROS/icaros desktop several times, last time was about three weeks ago. It was balls. Whoever made that skin and icon pack needs to be led out back and shot. 3.1 code compatibility isn't there yet, it can't naively run 68k or ppc apps and probably won't ever, and the list of non-iMica hardware for it is about the same size as a receipt from kfc.

AROS would be great if somebody put some money behind it. Nobody has. So it's the worst amiga system there is. It's literally better to steal an old PC out of a skip and put WinUAE on it.
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I tried AROS/icaros desktop several times, last time was about three weeks ago. It was balls. Whoever made that skin and icon pack needs to be led out back and shot. 3.1 code compatibility isn't there yet, it can't naively run 68k or ppc apps and probably won't ever, and the list of non-iMica hardware for it is about the same size as a receipt from kfc.

AROS would be great if somebody put some money behind it. Nobody has. So it's the worst amiga system there is. It's literally better to steal an old PC out of a skip and put WinUAE on it.


Sure, that is why I asked people to support it, join the effort, code, donate whatever. Don't you think it can get better ?
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Aiming at the professional market first is a smart move imo. It will ensure a backbone for further development. And I don't mind having to wait if it turns out to be too far out of my reach price-wise.


WHAT professional market could they possible address?  First of all, you're picking off what's likely a tiny segment of the population, so you're setting an inherent upper limit to your customer base. And then, of course, professional markets are already well established, so even if you offer something revolutionary, many people won't consider moving.

For example, Avid and Adobe have both sold video editors (NLEs) in the professional market, for years. Both have become established standards, and both typically have offered trailing edge features (it was only recently, relatively speaking, that you could mix different video formats, or get reasonable audio support, in these apps). Sony, NewTek, and many others have offerings that are more powerful in many ways, but they are never going to get some people off "the standard". And this kind of thing is true in pretty much every professional market.

Next, you have infrastructure. Let's say I want to do video editing. So I need the video editor, something pro-class. I also need a high-level audio program or two, something like Cakewalk's Sonar or Sony's Acid... and an editor for audio, while you're at it, like Sound Forge.

Back to video... I need something for compositing and particle animation... Adobe AfterEffects or Boris FX or something like that. For some users, a high-end titling program, for others, 3D animation tools like Lightwave.

Of course, your video has to go somewhere, so you need a pro-class DVD and Blu-Ray authoring program. You have to prepare artwork for video, disc, and packaging, so you need something like PhotoShop for graphics editing.

And within the video and audio editors... I'm going to do stuff here, right? I need effects, transitions, equalizers and dynamics processors and noise reducers and noise makers... I probably have close to 100 plug-ins for audio and video processing on my system. If you do lots of music, you need to add in software synthesizers, etc.

That's just do the CORE of one professional job. If you're a one-man shop, you might also need web development tools, business tools, publishing tools, etc.

And if some of the pieces in this ecosystem are not up to par, don't expect to get any professionals interested. You not only need to attract them from what they're doing now with something better, you have to make that a smart move. Think about it... if you're already doing this job, you have thousands already invested in hardware and software... why do I move to something new and different, rather than, say, new, more powerful, but otherwise the same... like upgrading that Core2 CPU to an i7. That's a move that can be measured directly in increased productivity, and it doesn't add software expenses to the hardware expenses.
 

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Does this mean you're not gonna buy a x1000 system and develop useless demo programs for the XCore embedded processor?
 

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Does this mean you're not gonna buy a x1000 system and develop useless demo programs for the XCore embedded processor?

As if anyone will develop anything useful for that waste of Bakelite and silicon.
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Offline Crom00

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Does this mean you're not gonna buy a x1000 system and develop useless demo programs for the XCore embedded processor?


guys.. even NewTek has a hard time convincing folks to use Lightwave these days in this AutoDesk 3dsMax - Maya dominated world.

I work in graphics... I can tell you. This is never going to get professional markets. If they win a military or government contract for some specialized task then great, but those machines are built to "military spec" (where's Doomy when you need him)

Guys, we're going to have an Amiga to (hopefully ) run classic apps and tinker with. That's the way it's gonna be for a long while unless somthing magic happens.

I think that machine or option should start at $300-500 and move up from there for the hardcore users. You know we kind of have ourselves to blame for this too in some small degree.. We all remember how we went bananas when Gateway proposed a move to X86...?
 

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All this talk of x86 this...x86 that....

Has it ever occurred to anyone the x86 viability roadmap is coming to an end, even with multiple cores?  Perhaps the new hardware is onto something with the nod, assisted of course at first by a beefed up PPC 'co-processor', to the use of a transputer.

I personally don't think Intel even knows the future in any certain terms, as the P4 debacle probably best most recently illustrated when they fell behind AMD, albeit briefly.
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