New Hyperion Entertainment Website http://a-eon.com/ - The Mystery Continues

[J-Golden]

In today's market, computer makers dont only compete to make computers better, but also cheaper. So I hope Hyperion will be following that too...

Seeing How Hyperion has been in the busness long enough, I'd say there is an excelent bet that they are keeping this exact thing in mind.

What worries me is how Mac is leaning so much towards PeeCee.  Ever since it's "merger" with M$ the Mac has become more and more a clone of the dreaded winblows system.  Since these two are now bedfellows, meaning you can install M$ software under OSX AND run Winblows on a Mac, it will be difficult for a full blown Amiga to have as much flexability the more specialized it becomes.  THAT is what I am worried about...

Another thing is that an OS, no matter how powerful the hardware it runs on is, is useless without good software. And with good software I mean commercial software, not linux ports.

Another point well made.  There are few companies that have still held true to the Amiga.  What we can hope is that they get some dev. machines in advance, make some "gotta have" software programs, and then have them out the door and demoing with the new Amiga.

Face it, A-Eon has an up hill battle in front of them.  It will be HARD!  but the very fact that they have the experience (both good and bad), desire to fight for years to get the rights to the Amiga title, ability to do it their way this time, and the know-how to make the next generation Amiga makes me all kinds of excited to see what will be produced by them!

[koshman]

@ J-Golden: You don't really expect this to compete with Wintel in the mainstream, do you?

[persia]

The A1000 came into the market doing things that no one else could do, so price wasn't an issue.  Today we have a much more mature market.  The vast majority of people can do what they need on sub US$400 machines.  It's a different world.  A >€1000 machine would be competing against some pretty powerful equipment with some pretty powerful software.  

A €400 machine could stand a chance as a second or third or fourth computer in someone's home.  Price is critical if you want to obtain market share, and market share is critical to gaining software.

You're in 2010, you really have to play by 2010 rules, there's no "do over" in IT.

I personally hope Hyperion don't compete on price: they can't.  And neither did the Amiga.  The A1000 was hugely expensive...  The next machine, "for the masses", was expensive compared to other "home" computers such as Spectrums or 64s.

Let's see what Hyperion have come up with, understand what it costs and then work out if it's worth it.  They're not daft, they know they need a business case for this and if they've got investment in this day and age it means they've convinced someone!

I'm intrigued as to what this will be, and am hopeful.  if it's something that can put the fun back in computing, I'm behind it all the way

[chiark]

What if this machine comes along doing something that no other machine can do?  That would be utterly gobsmacking, and is teetering on the very edge of possibility...  And what if the machine could also run everything people know and currently tolerate, becoming the first computer in the home, not the fourth?

Don't ask me what that "something" might be, because I don't know
...but it's what the A1000 did.

If it doesn't do something exceptional (which is the word they use), then it's all just marketing and bluster.

Market share is critical, for sure, but what's the market: is it every computer user, every geek, every former Amiga owner?  The value proposition is different for each, and that can radically skew the perceived value and acceptable price point.

Fun debate, and at last some possibility of something that's a spiritual successor to the Amiga, maybe?

[Everblue]

"What if this machine comes along doing something that no other machine can do?"

Using which OS? :-)

[persia]

That's just it, I don't think there is a "something" in 2010. Port OpenOffice, get flash and java working, without those three there's zero chance of being a "first computer."  Even then it's a long road.  I'm still in contact with a lot of ex-Amigans, none of whom are in a hurry to remove the "ex," another ridiculously overpriced machine like Sam isn't going to bring them back.  Something in the netbook price range might, if it did interesting things...

But the OS is going to have to give up a lot of the anachronisms Amigans like to be popular...

What if this machine comes along doing something that no other machine can do?  That would be utterly gobsmacking, and is teetering on the very edge of possibility...  And what if the machine could also run everything people know and currently tolerate, becoming the first computer in the home, not the fourth?

Don't ask me what that "something" might be, because I don't know
...but it's what the A1000 did.

If it doesn't do something exceptional (which is the word they use), then it's all just marketing and bluster.

Market share is critical, for sure, but what's the market: is it every computer user, every geek, every former Amiga owner?  The value proposition is different for each, and that can radically skew the perceived value and acceptable price point.

Fun debate, and at last some possibility of something that's a spiritual successor to the Amiga, maybe?

[chiark]

Using which OS? :-)

In all seriousness, does it matter?  An Amiga traditionally is an OS tied closely to hardware so perhaps it does...

That's just it, I don't think there is a "something" in 2010.

I'm hoping it's just down to my lack of imagination rather then there being no room for innovation/revolution in the computing marketplace... I am prepared for disappointment

Port OpenOffice, get flash and java working, without those three there's zero chance of being a "first computer."  Even then it's a long road.  I'm still in contact with a lot of ex-Amigans, none of whom are in a hurry to remove the "ex," another ridiculously overpriced machine like Sam isn't going to bring them back.

Agreed wholeheartedly.  Hopefully Hyperion are aware of this, otherwise they've been deluding themselves and their financial backers.

Something in the netbook price range might, if it did interesting things...

I'd pay more for something that was revolutionary, or even significantly evolutionary.  (Yes, I own a mac and I'm aware that makes me an idiot in some people's eyes )

But the OS is going to have to give up a lot of the anachronisms Amigans like to be popular...

Possibly.  But if it works, who cares?  it's a tool...

[motorollin]

In my opinion, innovation in computing can only occur now in two areas: user I/O (control and display methods) and software. It's not like in the 80s and 90s when newer, faster hardware was revolutionary and actually allowed you to do *different* things that you couldn't do before. With today's technology, the innovation comes from how you interface with the technology and what functions the software performs. Nintendo realised that, which is why they didn't throw procesors and video cards at the console war but developed a truly innovative way of interacting with the console which has created opportunities to play games in ways we never have before. New motherboards and new operating systems are all very well for hobbyists, but I don't believe they can ever be considered innnovative any more.

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[arnljot]

I deserve a treat

Me too, and all the time! :-) :lol:

Well, I've wanted a NG amiga system for a long time, and I still want MorphOS, I'll get my fix through my efika. This is something I'll splosh my $$$ on.

[zylesea]

in my opinion, innovation in computing can only occur now in two areas: User i/o (control and display methods) and software. It's not like in the 80s and 90s when newer, faster hardware was revolutionary and actually allowed you to do *different* things that you couldn't do before. With today's technology, the innovation comes from how you interface with the technology and what functions the software performs. Nintendo realised that, which is why they didn't throw procesors and video cards at the console war but developed a truly innovative way of interacting with the console which has created opportunities to play games in ways we never have before. New motherboards and new operating systems are all very well for hobbyists, but i don't believe they can ever be considered innnovative any more.

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e x a c t l y !!!

[Tension]

In my opinion, innovation in computing can only occur now in two areas: user I/O (control and display methods) and software. It's not like in the 80s and 90s when newer, faster hardware was revolutionary and actually allowed you to do *different* things that you couldn't do before. With today's technology, the innovation comes from how you interface with the technology and what functions the software performs. Nintendo realised that, which is why they didn't throw procesors and video cards at the console war but developed a truly innovative way of interacting with the console which has created opportunities to play games in ways we never have before. New motherboards and new operating systems are all very well for hobbyists, but I don't believe they can ever be considered innnovative any more.

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Good point moto

[Everblue]

In all seriousness, does it matter?  An Amiga traditionally is an OS tied closely to hardware so perhaps it does...

Of course it does. Hyperion said it... they are making the most powerful amiga system out there.

So if its an Amiga, its obvious that its going to use Amiga OS (which version, I do not know). Now, lets face it... Whats the point of having a super fast system if the OS is stuck in the 90s?

[The_Editor]

I wonder how many games houses think they can make a few bob porting older titles to the new Amiga ?

How much will they save in licencing etc ?

[Everblue]

You mean, like porting 68000 code which uses OCS to a PPC CPU + Video card?

There is no way that would ever happen. If you want that, minimig is a much cheaper, brand new option.

[recidivist]

From your post:"The Sam is an over-priced under-powered waste of money motherboard which is slower and more underpowered than 10 year old pc's. The only reason they actual managed to sell a few is because of OS4 because if it were not for that they would have all ended up in the dustbin where they belong"

 If the Sam with AmigaOS 4 had been/was a $299 package then I suspect  lots more would have been sold AND I do not believe it exactly deserves to be in the dustbin since it has been practically the only REAL  Amiga-compatible hardware available despite others' promises.So give ACube a break, they produced something  even if you and I couldn't afford it.(I'm going out on a limb here but my experience is that those who scream loudest about pricing do so because the item ,be it car,computer, or steak dinner, is too expensive for them.)Logically the average computer user  would be better spending under $600 for a new Mac Mini intel 2.26 GHz with  Snow  Leopard.

But Amiga worls is not so much about logic as passion.

[Everblue]

Quoting hyperion:

"We know it means eceptional. Remember when Amiga hardware was eceptional, not just the OS? You won't need to remember much longer. Nemo brings Amiga back to the high-end."

So in other words, it will be up to par with high end 2000 Euro+ PCs? You know, I would have settled for something less powerful, and a matching price.

Whats high end now anyway? 3 SLI Video cards, quad cores, 4 gigs RAM and all that?

"It also means etra. This is where it gets hard to eplain. Let's start with custom chips. Amiga lead the way, everyone else followed. Got a graphics card? Custom chips are standard now. Amiga hardware used to be special, did things other computers couldn't."

So, in other words, the new Amiga will do stuff that current PCs dont? Nice. With which OS?

"That's why also stands for etraordinary, because that time is coming again."

RIGHT.