Apple stole idea for iPhone from Amiga DE?

[kolla]

Does anyone still use the videochat function? I have never seen a real person use it here in Sweden, and all the new phones that are coming out is lacking the videochat camera.

I've used it once. I had just bought the SE P1i and a friend of mine had bought a Nokia thing, we were sitting in a pub, drinking beer and comparing phones, suddenly we realized both supported videocalls. So, we tried it while sitting there, and that was the only time I ever used it.

Also, over here most iPhone buyers gets unlimited data usage..

Only iPhone buyers? What stupid discrimination is that?

[kolla]

Built-in iPod, GPS, Web browser with high quality graphics, 3D gaming... Remember this is in 2001, 8 years ago, when mobile phones were lowly little text-based devices with blocky monochrome screens.

You memory is flawed, many phones had colour displays already. In 2002 Sony Ericsson came with P800, which more or less has all the stuff you mention.

[Piru]

Only iPhone buyers? What stupid discrimination is that?

I'm fairly sure they have unlimited data plans similar to finland. For example I can get unlimited 384/384kbps for 9,90 € / month.

I do have 1mbps/1mbps myself though. N900 would be a bit painful with anything slower ;-)

[TheMud]

Nope - He is not wrong... The Sony Ericsson T68 was the first "real" phone with a color screen... Before that there where some things from Siemens, but those was more PDA's... Nokia's 3510 was later released as 3510i with a color screen but after the T68 (2001)

I've been working there since 1998 :-)

[bloodline]

The iPhone is nothing new, PDAs could do much of that stuff before 2001, and:



The iPhone is just another generation of "smartphone," and far from being the first to offer integrated GPS and videochat, etc.

I have to also agree, the iPhone didn't offer anything new hardware wise in 2007, all it did was refine the parts and bring it all together with a very slick user interface... it was really the interface that was the problem with previous generations of Smart phones.

If you think Bouma was being clever... all he was really saying, was that at some undefined point in the future Mobile phones would be comparable to the (then) current generation of desktops... That is basically a no brainer... what he didn't predict was, what actually is innovative, and that is the iPhone's touch interface... he was stuck (as everyone else was) on the idea of a stylus

[Tron2k2]

Credit where it's due here, guys:  Amiga, Incorporated did come out with what amounts to the iPhone's app store-in 2001.

Remember Gary Peake explaining the developer path at Amigan St. Louis in, what was it 2000?  Gary's people skills aside ;-) the overall scheme sounds very familiar:  You get the SDK, write the app, Amiga helps you QA it and when it's ready, Amiga distributes it via their web based store to anyone who wants to buy it, and then they split the proceeds with you.

This went online in 2001, I have fond memories of helping developers with their apps-I played a lot of soliataire ;-)  And there was a really rad little vertical shooter that kept us amused in the office for weeks as it progressed.  Those were the good times in Sno-Town :-)

Now, we all know that Amiga lacked the one locked down piece of hardware that makes the above mentioned QA process a lot easier, among a ton of other technical factors.  But mostly what Amiga lacked was marketing acumen.

So as usual:  Amiga invents it, then five years later Apple steals, err, is inspired by it, and makes a fortune with it..

[kolla]

Credit where it's due here, guys:  Amiga, Incorporated did come out with what amounts to the iPhone's app store-in 2001.

How many "app stores" do you think there have been up throught the years? Really, all this was done _long_ before Apple did it, and it wasnt a new spectacular idea at the time Amiga talked about it either, it had been around for quite some time already by then.

Appearantly the crowd of blind amiga followers and blind apple followers has a certain overlap. :laughing:

[persia]

THe difference is the apple blind followers are always rewarded for their following. the amiga ones are never rewarded...

How many "app stores" do you think there have been up throught the years? Really, all this was done _long_ before Apple did it, and it wasnt a new spectacular idea at the time Amiga talked about it either, it had been around for quite some time already by then.

Appearantly the crowd of blind amiga followers and blind apple followers has a certain overlap. :laughing:

[jj]

THe difference is the apple blind followers are always rewarded for their following. the amiga ones are never rewarded...

Rewarded by having to get a new iphone every 6 months for new features that mere around the majority of phones at least two years before :lol:

[jutrem]

Amiga Inc. predicted the success of an iPhone like device but some in the amiga community could not see it. Some new Amiga hardware or a ported OS alone will not increase our numbers (Amiga Users). How may Apple user have complained about Apple giving all their attention to the iPhone and the iPod and almost ignoring the desktop machines (OS X)? In fact the iPod and iPhone have done more for the Apple brand than the Mac. Even die hard PC users have iPhones not Windows mobile phones. I have a Windows phone and DE still runs great on it, there is a nice big Amiga boing ball logo when it starts up!

[jj]

Thats great, doesnt make AmigaDE any less pointless and irrelevant

[jutrem]

Thats great, doesnt make AmigaDE any less pointless and irrelevant

 Have you used Amiga DE? Do you have a device that it would run on? At least most Apple fans have purchased an iPod or iPhone.

 You MISSED the point. Apple (who had the Mac) wasn't afraid to progress and move into a different consumer area. These products (iPod, iPhone) attracted non Mac users that increased their market presence and share price.  DE could have done the same for the Amiga brand.

[jj]

No it couldn't.  Not whilst Amiga Inc had anything to do with it.

[jutrem]

No it couldn't.  Not whilst Amiga Inc had anything to do with it.

 Did'nt answer the question. Have you used it DE? Do you have any supported hardware (windows mobile phone or others). If you haven't then you can't make a valid comment on it.
The DE player's probably outsold OS 3.9 and 4.  We also already know (from Hyperion) that Amiga Inc had them port OS 4 to some phones/PDa's. This plus something DE like might attract new users.  At least Apple had sense and went for users with deep pockets. Commodore went low end (... for quick $$) now we're stuck with users that just complain.

[kolla]

Did'nt answer the question. Have you used it DE?

I have, got the devkit and all.

Do you have any supported hardware (windows mobile phone or others).

"others"?

If you haven't then you can't make a valid comment on it.

But I can, right?

The DE player's probably outsold OS 3.9 and 4.

What do you base that probability on? Personally I dont know of anyone who bought anything based on AE. Apart from the old developer kit.

We also already know (from Hyperion) that Amiga Inc had them port OS 4 to some phones/PDa's.

We do? Sounds very unlikely since powerpc based phones/PDAs are very rare, or even non-existing.

This plus something DE like might attract new users.

New users of what? AE? Something with a boingball?

At least Apple had sense and went for users with deep pockets.

Or rather, they made products that at least had some quality.

Commodore went low end (... for quick $$) now we're stuck with users that just complain.

I dont see the relevance, and who's complaining?

[kickstart]

Nope - He is not wrong... The Sony Ericsson T68 was the first "real" phone with a color screen... Before that there where some things from Siemens, but those was more PDA's... Nokia's 3510 was later released as 3510i with a color screen but after the T68 (2001)

I've been working there since 1998 :-)

3650 and 7650 are older than 3510i i think.

iphone is a underpowered and overpriced hardware with limited functions but hey!... its from apple and its "cool"... ironic.