SATA HD on Amiga computers

[johnklos]

I forgot to mention - I'm using an ACARD ARS-2000SU with a 250 gig 2.5" SATA laptop drive in my A3000. It's perfect when you don't have room for adapters since the whole enclosure with the laptop drive fits in the same amount of space as a low profile 3.5" drive, plus the connector is standard 50 pin SCSI.

http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-product.jsp?prod_no=ARS-2000SUP&type1_title=SCSIDE%20II%20Bridge&type1_idno=11&idno_no=249

[johnklos]

@johnklos
What CPU card have you got in your A4000D? And how much did you pay for the ACARD UW-SCSI to IDE?

I have a CyberStorm Mk III:
http://reva.xtremeunix.com/

The ACARD UW-SCSI to IDE can be bought for around $40 to $50 USD. I have many and use them in many different kinds of machines. This particular kind normally is part of a tray onto which the drive mounts making a full height 3.5" drive, but it worked here because there's practically no space between the power supply and the drive enclosure.

[Phantom]

I've got one SATA to IDE converter the same as in the picture. Although my A4000 can see the HD cannot see the DVD-ROM.

There is a jumper for Master/Slave options, but nothing changes. Any ideas? Who has completely made it working with 2 devices?

[amigakit]

Incidentally, we stock 40-way Male to Male IDE cables which a lot of these SATA adapters require:

[Phantom]

I've connected the adapter directly to A4000 IDE port. In this way I can only have HD?

With this cable I will have both HD and DVD-ROM work?

And why is that? Thanks.

Just looking to this adapter, I will need a female to male adapter as A4000 IDE is already male on the motherboard.

[Thomas]

I've got one SATA to IDE converter the same as in the picture. Although my A4000 can see the HD cannot see the DVD-ROM.

You need an ATAPI driver to run CD-ROM-like devices on the IDE bus. OS 3.9, IDEfix97 or the like. This has not changed with an SATA adapter.

There is a jumper for Master/Slave options, but nothing changes. Any ideas? Who has completely made it working with 2 devices?

One jumper on the adapter for two devices ? This rather sounds like you've got an adapter which supports only one device. You need one which supports two devices like mentioned in the beginning of the thread.

Bye,
Thomas

[mfilos]

Phantom got my adapter (I sent it to him for free to check if it was working with his setup) that I got while reading this thread. The adapter is the following:


http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14666

...which has 2xSATA headers and as Ferix said in the first posts... might work.

I haven't tried it to work on my Amigas nor I cared if if didn't, since the expense of El'Cheapo 5euro (including shipping) was too little to test it. I just got it to have it sitting in case I needed, so I sent Phantom to check it out if working.

The fact that HD is working is nice, so I think that the CDROM will after some tries (Slave or CS jumpering check, HD jumper check, Position in the adapter - since it has 2xHeaders specifically numbered etc). If it won't work... then ... no worries!

[Thomas]

The link is completely useless because it does not contain any description about the function of the adapter.

However, it looks pretty much the same as this one: http://www.delock.de/produkte/gruppen/Konverter/Delock_Converter_IDE_40pin_SATA_2x_HDD_61664.html

And here the description definitely says that the adapter represents *one* IDE device which can be either master or slave. It does not support master *and* slave.

[Amiga_Nut]

But why would you want a SATA adaptor for the internal IDE port on AGA machines?

PATA drives can go upto 120gb on 2.5" and with careful selection of drive you can get a 7200RPM unit with a useful sized cache. Adding a SATA drive will still mean you are limited to the standard (low) transfer speeds on the  Commodore IDE interface used no?

If it's merely to get larger drives in there then fair enough, other than that I can't see an advantage though. That's not to say I'm not missing the whole point entirely though

[alexh]

While it probably doesn't matter but if anyone wanted to buy them I can get some 2.5" and 3.5" USB 2.0 -> SATA hard drive internal adapters with our OXU931S chips on them.

I have used them with the Deneb Zorro III USB controller, you can boot from them and they out perform the integrated IDE interface by a long way.

[whiteb]

Most likely 3.

I got one of those

[kolla]

But why would you want a SATA adaptor for the internal IDE port on AGA machines?

I can walk into any store and buy a cheap SATA disk, not so  for PATA disks. Disk speeds are irrelevant when it comes to amiga usage, no point in going above whatever the lowest you find, the bottleneck is elsewhere.

[Thomas]

I can walk into any store and buy a cheap SATA disk, not so  for PATA disks.

If you go into a store, you'll pay twice the price anyway, so why not ask for an expensive PATA drive instead of an expensive SATA drive ?

When looking at mail order shops, I'd say that SATA HDD + adapter are as expensive as a PATA HDD of the same size.

[whiteb]

I have a CyberStorm Mk III:
http://reva.xtremeunix.com/

The ACARD UW-SCSI to IDE can be bought for around $40 to $50 USD. I have many and use them in many different kinds of machines. This particular kind normally is part of a tray onto which the drive mounts making a full height 3.5" drive, but it worked here because there's practically no space between the power supply and the drive enclosure.

What about CyberSCSI MK II ?, it does not have UltraWide SCSI.  I would love to slap in a PATA drive i have spare (got an 80 and 120GB here), via SCSI-IDE adaptor to my Cyberstorm MK II.

Better than stuffing the drive on to the Integrated PIO IDE on the 4000 Motherboard.

[Amiga_Nut]

I can walk into any store and buy a cheap SATA disk, not so  for PATA disks. Disk speeds are irrelevant when it comes to amiga usage, no point in going above whatever the lowest you find, the bottleneck is elsewhere.

For transfer speeds true, for seek times the cache and spindle speed are paramount. As most Amiga files are tiny, the percentage of the total load time that seek time accounts for is significant.

[whiteb]

SO does anyone know what kind of SCSI to IDE bridge I can use for my Cyberscsi MK II ? (As it does not use ultra).

I was thinking of an IDE drive, say my 120GIG, but I would als othink of putting a CF card on it, as the Cyberscsi runs DMA, it would SIGNIFICANTLY speed up things. (Sandisk 4GB Ultra CF, rated to 30MB/s)