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SATA HD on Amiga computers
« on: December 11, 2009, 12:53:57 PM »
Let's make some noise... :P
Has anybody tried this?



http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7533

I have one, and It works fine even on an old 386SX in PIO mode (no DMA at all). It works also on a networked hard disk enclosure, so It should work too on any IDE capable Amiga.
Maybe, I'll try It on my A600 ;)
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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 01:43:00 PM »
I am still looking for an adapter which allows to use two SATA drives on one IDE controller as master and slave. All adapters I've seen yet block the entire IDE port for only one device, although the IDE port can handle two.

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I'll try It on my A600


It does  not fit without an adapter cable. The A600 has a 44-pin connector, this adapter has a 40-pin connector. And it is rather difficult to find a ribbon cable with a male connector.

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 02:39:32 PM »
Quote from: Thomas;533404
I am still looking for an adapter which allows to use two SATA drives on one IDE controller as master and slave. All adapters I've seen yet block the entire IDE port for only one device, although the IDE port can handle two.

This one allows It. You can atach two drives to this adapter. And It works (tested).

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It does  not fit without an adapter cable. The A600 has a 44-pin connector, this adapter has a 40-pin connector. And it is rather difficult to find a ribbon cable with a male connector.

I know It, but I have the proper adapter ;)
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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 02:57:50 PM »
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This one allows It. You can atach two drives to this adapter. And It works (tested).


I don't think so. See the second answer in questions & answers on this page: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=118507043

This is how it works on any such adapter I've seen.

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2009, 03:02:13 PM »
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I don't think so. See the second answer in questions & answers on this page: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=118507043

This is how it works on any such adapter I've seen.

Bye,
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I can assure It works. I'm using It on a pentium 60 (yeah, the original one) with a HD as master and a CD-ROM as slave. (I know, It's a weird configuration :P)
Maybe It's not the same adapter, I didn't buy It on that shop, but It looks exactly the same.

Edit:
Well, seems that there are lots of adapters. This one claims to work as you want (like mine):


http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14666
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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2009, 03:22:06 PM »
This is terrific news,I had no idea such adapters were available .Thanks for posting.
 

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2009, 05:08:07 PM »
Any scsi to sata??
 

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2009, 05:24:20 PM »
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Any scsi to sata??

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2009, 05:31:43 PM »
Thank you .

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 06:05:25 AM »
Hi all

I used converter to use SATA 80GB HD , every thing works fine except i cannot boot , the HD disappear at startup screen , but recognizable after WB started .

any one success with converters booting .
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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 08:36:34 AM »
Has anyone got any idea what the transfer rates are for Amiga to SATA?

The way I see things for getting SATA to work on my A4000D there are several options

1. A4000D standard ide plus SATA adapter
2. A4000D FastATA MKV plus SATA adapter (AmigaKit)
3. Cyberstorm MKII SCSI plus ACARD SCSI to SATA
4. Z3 Fastlane SCSI plus ACARD SCSI to SATA
5. Deneb USB plus USB plus SATA adapter

but which is the best route bearing in mind transfer speed, ability to boot from SATA and cost.

Maybe those who have got SATA working could post their solution plus transfer speed.

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 09:31:05 AM »
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1. A4000D standard ide plus SATA adapter
2. A4000D FastATA MKV plus SATA adapter (AmigaKit)
3. Cyberstorm MKII SCSI plus ACARD SCSI to SATA
4. Z3 Fastlane SCSI plus ACARD SCSI to SATA
5. Deneb USB plus USB plus SATA adapter

but which is the best route bearing in mind transfer speed, ability to boot from SATA and cost.

Most likely 3.
 

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2010, 09:36:00 AM »
Quote from: Tumbleweed;547800
Has anyone got any idea what the transfer rates are for Amiga to SATA?

The way I see things for getting SATA to work on my A4000D there are several options

1. A4000D standard ide plus SATA adapter
2. A4000D FastATA MKV plus SATA adapter (AmigaKit)
3. Cyberstorm MKII SCSI plus ACARD SCSI to SATA
4. Z3 Fastlane SCSI plus ACARD SCSI to SATA
5. Deneb USB plus USB plus SATA adapter

but which is the best route bearing in mind transfer speed, ability to boot from SATA and cost.


On my A4000 I am using an ACARD UW-SCSI to IDE, then an IDE to SATA with a two terabyte drive:
http://reva.xtremeunix.com/Images/4.jpg

The IDE to SATA is on the back of the drive sled. The depth of the CD ROM area on an A4000 is a little bit limiting, of course.

On my A1200 I am doing the same thing, but the adapter is narrow SCSI to IDE to SATA. The drive in there is a 500 gig drive. Both drives are 5900 RPM Seagate LP drives, which is particularly nicer for the A4000 since that's running off of the stock power supply.

I am using the SCSI to IDE to SATA because I had been using SCSI to IDE and didn't want to spend the money on a new adapter (which work fine - I use a few SCSI to SATA elsewhere). The best place to put the drives, of course, is on the fastest bus you can. On my A1200 it's on the Blizzard 1260 SCSI and on the A4000 it's on the CyberStorm SCSI.

It's nice to be able to use the LP drives. I have a 500 gig on the A1200 and a 2 TB on the A4000.

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Maybe those who have got SATA working could post their solution plus transfer speed.


Well, both machines are actively compiling so the speeds might be higher if other things weren't going on, but I'm getting around six megabytes/sec read on the A4000 and 4.5 writing, and four megabytes read on the A1200 and 3.5 writing. This is with NetBSD; I'm sure AmigaDOS is a bit more efficient.
 

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 09:40:19 AM »
@johnklos

What CPU card have you got in your A4000D? And how much did you pay for the ACARD UW-SCSI to IDE?

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Re: SATA HD on Amiga computers
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 09:41:12 AM »
I forgot to mention - I'm using an ACARD ARS-2000SU with a 250 gig 2.5" SATA laptop drive in my A3000. It's perfect when you don't have room for adapters since the whole enclosure with the laptop drive fits in the same amount of space as a low profile 3.5" drive, plus the connector is standard 50 pin SCSI.

http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-product.jsp?prod_no=ARS-2000SUP&type1_title=SCSIDE%20II%20Bridge&type1_idno=11&idno_no=249
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