PFS3 vs SFS

[CU_AMiGA]

Okay i set up my Hard Drive yesterday. Partitions MDH0,2,3,4 are for Wrokbench and other entertainment and games. MDH1 is for the SFS (L:smartfilesystem and the C:tools). Here's the partitions:

MDH0: Workbench 1.9g
MDH1: Important 1.9m
MDH2: Games 10g
MDH3: Multimedia 10g
MDH4: Macintosh 3.9g

The Information says:

MDH0,2,3,4:

Handler: Smartfilesystem 1.212 (0000)
Blocksize: 512

MDH1:

Handler: fs 45.9 (DOS0)
Blocksize: 1000

I set these up to what people described. I now have the following information in my HDToolBox:

MDH0,2,3,4:

On Add/Update:

Filesystem name: smartfilesystem (customfilesystem)
Identifier: 0x00000000

On Change:

Identifier: 0x00000000
Mask : 0x7FFFFFE (default)
Max Transfer: 0x0001FE00
Blocksize: 512

The HDToolBox settings for MDH1: are default, same as FFS Amiga OS 3.9.

Well everything seems to be working okay so far. I have reinstalled the operating system (Amiga OS 3.9) and also CGFX, if someone could confirm i am on the right track then i will then carry on installing the rest. It seems to recognise SFS. One thing i wonder, is it possible to not use MDH1 (with SFS on) and just put SFS on MDH0: before setting up the partitions, and then, using my spare Hard Drive, QUICK FORMAT on MDH0: and then copy SFS over to it. Is this possible?

Regards,

[Framiga]

@ CU_AMIGA

oh my God! again :-)

so, SFS\0 WAS related to some ancient version of SFS (ie SFS 1.58).

The important is the identfier (that can't be oxooooo)

With SFS 1.212 you must have:

CFS\00
Identifier= GHOSTED (but must be 0x43465300)

If you wish you can select CUSTOM but you must type the identif. manually (0x43465300)

Anyway SFS now has an internal automatic identifier.

Ciao

[CU_AMiGA]

NNNOOO!!! :-(

Damn! I thought i was doing it right and it was okay. The indentifier bit is ghosted but shows them numbers. I will reset up my HD partitions and type them down again. Is that the only bit i done wrong? Are there any other figures i need to put down? Also do i need that seperate partition with SFS on, MDH1:

[CU_AMiGA]

Okay. I have reset up my Hard Drive again:

MDH0: Workbench 1.9g
MDH1: Entertainment 22.7g
MDH2: Macintosh 3.9g

This time i put all the SFS files including L:Smartfilesystem and C:Tool files on the Workbench partition and set everything up with the help of my spare Hard Drive.

Info on all the partitions MDH0,1,2:

Same as before apart from:

Handler: Smartfilesystem 1.212 (SFS0)

On the HDToolBox:

Change:

Filesystem: SFS\00
Identifier: 0x53465300 (not 0x43465300, docs said what i put down) - GHOSTED
Mask/Max Transfer: (default)
Blocksize:512

Add/Update:

Filesystem: L:smartfilesystem (Custom File System SFS\00)
Identfier: As stated above.

I have also set the buffers to 100.

I had to manually type down the idenfier and press return to enter it in, that's probably why it did not save before! :-) Anyway, have i finally cracked it, i have installed the usual so far and i have had no troublt. I left the Mask/Max Transfer as they were.

[Framiga]

@CU_AMiGA

OK lets all so :-)

Now it is you that can help me:

Have you used the HDToolbox that i've sent to you?

Those SFS\00 and id. 0x53465300 it is RIGHT (is an internal option as reported by the docs).

Now i wish to know :

can someone tell me why, i have

SFS 1.212 Smartfilesystem CFS\00 with id 0x43465300?

In my HDToolbox, i can't choose SFS\00 (is not in the list)

Why?

Thanks in advance

Ciao

[CU_AMiGA]

@Framiga

So you are actually saying i got it right this time! :-)

The answer to your question:

I used the HDToolBox from Amiga OS 3.9, but i will take a look and see if it works in the other version if you like.

Make the identifier: 0x53465300
What is your Mask and Max Transfer?
Did you disable FFS flags?

[Framiga]

@CU_AMIGA

so when i choose from HDToolbox the new filesystem i have:

Add new filesystem:

ID= 0x43465300
Version= 1.212
Dimension= 78224
Filesystem name= L:Smartfilesystem [File system custom CFS\00]

And in CHANGE:

5 options

-Filesystem standard
-Filesystem custom
-CFS\00
-PFS\03
-UNI\01

as you can see i haven't SFS\00 so

OR

i must choose CFS\00 with a ghosted ID(0x43465300)

OR

i can choose Custom fylesystem and type manually the above ID.

MASK= 0x7FFFFFFE
MAX TRANSFER= 0x0001FE00
BLOCKS=512

with all FFS related option GHOSTED.

Can someone explain me why?

The partition is a 1.9GB in size.

Thanks

[CU_AMiGA]

@Framiga

My only guess is the identifier. It must be 53465300, why have you got 43465300? That is the best i could do. Try it anyhow.

[JetRacer]

I've poked around abit with SFS and I can tell you that there are many pitfalls.

First of all: the docs are not up to date; they reflect the old 1.58 (I think). The ID you want is the one the filesystem list states, not the docs(!).

The identifier have changed several times during devlopment.

And people: you MUST use the update feature in HDToolbox properly when trying to update SFS! Don't just add the new version to the list and start typing the new ID to partitions(!). Click the add/update button, select the old version, click update and click the new version (wherever it's located). Then save changes and you're done. Without data loss(!).

I use a blocksize of 1024 with SFS. It's real fast. However there are people who get serius performance issues and I don't know why.
The file handling benchmark included in the SFS archive says my SFS partitions are about as fast as the RAM disk (filehandling! not transfer rates nor seektimes!).

My best guess so far is that some people may have increased the read-ahead and that cripples performance seriusly. Or they don't add enough buffers to their partitions. Using A500? :-) Who knows?

[CU_AMiGA]

JetRacer wrote:
I've poked around abit with SFS and I can tell you that there are many pitfalls.

First of all: the docs are not up to date; they reflect the old 1.58 (I think). The ID you want is the one the filesystem list states, not the docs(!).

The identifier have changed several times during devlopment.

And people: you MUST use the update feature in HDToolbox properly when trying to update SFS! Don't just add the new version to the list and start typing the new ID to partitions(!). Click the add/update button, select the old version, click update and click the new version (wherever it's located). Then save changes and you're done. Without data loss(!).

I use a blocksize of 1024 with SFS. It's real fast. However there are people who get serius performance issues and I don't know why.
The file handling benchmark included in the SFS archive says my SFS partitions are about as fast as the RAM disk (filehandling! not transfer rates nor seektimes!).

My best guess so far is that some people may have increased the read-ahead and that cripples performance seriusly. Or they don't add enough buffers to their partitions. Using A500? :-) Who knows?

Disagreed.

1. If something important like the change of the Identifier would happen then i am 100% sure that this would be mentioned in the doc.

2. I tried that little instruction you wrote out and i got the same Identifier! I clicked Add/Update button, then clicked update on the current SFS i was using then clicked the one in L and i got the same results!

3. The HDToolBox/Info recognises the filesystem as SFS\00 and Filesystem: smartfilesystem (Custom File System SFS\00). The SFS\00 is also on the list.

4. I heard that Blocksize should be 512, but is usable in 1024, if the right speed Hard Drive / options is used.

Just for the record, my Identifier is 53465300 and the version i use is 1.212. What is your version and Identifier?

@Framiga

Have you sorted your SFS out yet?

[Framiga]

@CU_AMiGA

with the hope to close this thread forever, the last version of HDToolbox (BB-2 v.45.6) that i have sent to you , detects all the FS that aren't FFS like CFS\00 (if you have more than one SFS version installed, it will be CFS\01, CFS\02 and so on).

Here with SFS 1.212 and HDToolbox 45.6 i have:

CFS\00

0x43465300

But don't worry . . . .your version of HDToolbox reads the internal id SFS\00 id.0x53465300  as well.

by the docs:

"From SFS ver 1.190
*  Fixed ACTION_INHIBIT,DOSTRUE.
a  SFS is now a resident module (DOSType=0x53465300, 'SFS\0')."

Your config is OK.

Ciao

PS- and by the way CU_AMIGA, i've installed SFS some days before you, don't you remember? :-)
and it works perfectly.
 .

[CU_AMiGA]

@Framiga,

I used the other HDToolBox and it recognised the filesystem as SFS\00 and filesystem: smartfilesystem (custom file sysem SFS\00), or in other words the same as before.

I thought you said you were having problems with SFS, that was the whole point of this thread wasn't it? Speed problems.