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First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« on: November 29, 2009, 06:40:10 AM »
Hi folks.  After many years of wanting to learn rendering software, I am finally sitting down and doing it.  I bought Aladdin4d from Nova Design / DiscreetFX a few years ago.  Just for hoots I posted very first 3 second test render:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkZXzrGkGs

Nothing too much to get excited about - just your standard space flyby like everyone learning rendering does.  YouTube's video algorithms really darken the picture more than should look.  Anyway, I'm just scratching the surface - Aladdin4d is capable of so much more - although the learning curve is a little steep.

The planet is just a lo-res quickie done in Deluxe Paint 5.  Anyway, like I said, not much to get excited about but it's pure Amiga - and there are few examples of Aladdin4d renders out there so I thought I'd post it.
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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 03:44:39 AM »
Hey, that's not bad. I've wanted to get into some 3D software for years too, and eventually when I get my Amigas all sorted out with fresh capacitors I'll definitely buy a copy of Aladdin4D and give it a go.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with next!
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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 04:09:13 AM »
not bad at all!!! A+
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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 04:37:32 AM »
Gorgeous! I have a copy of Aladdin, but haven't really messed with it too much. What model Amiga and processor are you using? How long did it take to render? That's not the Amiga's native output, is it or do you have a video card?
 

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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 06:06:14 AM »
@ral-clan

Very nice, look forward to seeing more.
 

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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 07:51:37 AM »
Agreed, nice job!   Makes me want to finish some Lightwave projects that I 'forgot' about....
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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 12:49:38 PM »
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Gorgeous! I have a copy of Aladdin, but haven't really messed with it too much. What model Amiga and processor are you using?

Well....until August 2009 I was using it on an A2000/040/32MB/OS3.9 with Picasso II+ card.  It was actually pretty speedy rendering single frames (I never got to animation on it).  Aladdin is one of the faster renderers out there.

Then the SCSI card in my A2000 died and I switched over to using UAE on a 2.8GHz Pentium 4.  I must say...Aladdin really smokes on it!  It's fast.  Plus under UAE I have access to higher resolution screenmodes and the 1GB of RAM in my PC - so I can make much larger and longer animations more easily.  I know some people are against emulated Amigas, but I am mainly an apps person, not a gamer - and I find all the apps I used to use (ImageFX, Lightwave, PageStream, DeluxePaint, OctaMED, Bars&Pipes, etc.) run just fine - and even better because they are faster - under UAE.  For instance, yesterday I just worked on a 130MB TIFF file (10,000 x 10,000 pixels) under ImageFX on my UAE emulated Amiga.  I could never have done that on my real hardware Amiga.

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How long did it take to render? That's not the Amiga's native output, is it or do you have a video card?

It actually is rendered in an Amiga RTG screenmode (sort of).  YouTube conversion of course reduces the quality & sharpness of the video quite a bit.  Aladdin4d will render to any screenmode your Amiga has installed.  The original animation was rendered in 640x480 16-bit RTG (Picasso96).  This looks awesome and sharp on screen (pretty much DVD quality).  I can render to even higher screenmodes (like 1024x768 or higher for HD/Blu-Ray) quality.  So there is no reason why you couldn't do totally "modern" hi-definition animations with the Amiga and Aladdin4d.  

All "Amigas" under UAE can use the PC's graphics chips for their own RTG display.  But if you have a real Amiga without a graphics card, Aladdin4d can render stills or animations to HAM6 or HAM8 (the latter of which actually look pretty darned good) or to 16-bit or 24-bit IFF frames directly to your hard drive (which you can then assemble into animations with software).  There really are no limitations to rendering resolution with Aladdin4d.

The only thing I'm trying to figure out is how to create a screenmode for rendering which will result in a 16:9 aspect ratio animation.

As for how long it took - this short animation took about half an hour on the PC/UAE setup described above.  Although I should say I had all the shading/smoothing and anti-aliasing algorithms set to the max, which really increased rendering time.
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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 02:25:02 PM »
Emulated amiga is best for these type of things regardless of what anyone says... If that took 1/2 hour on a pc to render, it would have taken 5 hours (or more) even on an 80mhz amiga.

I've heard that some of the star trek and babylon scenes done on amiga, it used to take them 2 days to render the finished work in full quality on a real amiga.

I wish they would make alladin and lightwave for aros and linux  :)

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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 02:48:00 PM »
Thanks for the interesting read ral-clan!
 

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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2009, 04:35:03 PM »
@haywirepc

Aladdin 4D 6.0 will be available for AROS & Linux.
 

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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2009, 06:42:45 PM »
Sounds great to me pyro. I'd like a copy for both...

Its kinda funny but between aros and linux, I rarely use my windows pc anymore, plus I have a dedicated emulation pc running amiga os 3.x as the windows xp shell :)

I use a windows pc at work, but at home that thing is rarely touched. I'm getting ready to blow vista off that pc because Its a quad core and  my current linux box is just dual core. Maybe its time they both switched homes...

Anyone know where I can get a copyy of alladin 4d for os3.x or a copy of image fx? I don't have either right now. Thought I did, but apparently not.

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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2009, 06:43:45 PM »
Nice animation.
They used Raptors to render the scenes, while the Amigas where workstations.
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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 06:45:50 PM »
@haywirepc

If you buy Aladdin 4D 6.0 (when released) for Linux or AROS the Windows version of Aladdin 4D 6.0 (when released) is included for free.

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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 07:06:30 PM »
Hopefully there will be an upgrade option to 6.0 for those of us who purchased (or are about to purchase) Alladin4d 5.0 for our Amigas?
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Re: First ever render (Aladdin4d)
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2009, 03:25:36 PM »
cool, I have owned that program since it came out and never sat down to actually learn it