New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.

[ZeBeeDee]

Okay, you have forced me to admit that the new owner of A.org is ................ Tiger Woods!

Jeezus! Isn't it enough that he's had multiple affairs without going after our coveted Spanish Lezbo's as well?

:laughing:

[Zac67]

The simple fact that this partly ridiculous and tedious discussion has been going on so long (too long for me) unobstructed and uncensored ensures me that we'll be able to enjoy our beloved a.org for years to come. I'm curious about what actually has happened, too - but as long as the site thrives, I can very well live with an absent owner.

[Schoenfeld]

Everyone is telling us that we can trust the new owners, they will keep their word.

Someone confirmed in this very thread that my account will be deleted "by the end of the week", as I requested. That was almost two weeks ago. Need I say more about trust?

I do care who's party I attend. I don't want to be associated with someone who doesn't share my political opinions, and frankly, I do have a right to know who's site it is: German law requires the "Impressum" with a valid street address of the responsible person on every website. It may be different in a different country, but I don't respect that. In the US, collected data belongs to the one who collects, which is - in my opinion - legalized theft. That's why SWIFT has decided to move their backup server out of the US (and I have no idea why the EU decided to still give financial data to the US, but that's a totally different topic).

I kind of expected the new owner to let me know who he is to change my mind. Obviously, he has no idea who I am and what I do, he doesn't care about my decision to leave this site and delete all the content that I left here. Oh wait, does he/she care? My account wasn't deleted, my content is still here, although I don't agree with that any more.

I want to leave the party. Unlock the door. Now.

Jens

[MickJT]

No one here has any inaliable "right" to know anything at all about the owner(s).

Hi Wayne, first time i've posted anything about this issue here.

No-one has a "right". Correct. Some countries have laws (like above poster says) about what must be in the WHOIS information. Australia is pretty strict on it's own auTLD domains.

However, it is a requirement of accredited .org registrars to make sure the WHOIS information is accurate. If not, they are in breach of ICANN's conditions.

http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/advisory-10may02.htm

It's an old announcement, but it's still current.

Here's another: http://www.icann.org/en/gnso/whois-tf/report-19feb03.htm


So, no we don't have a "right"... but you're basically admitting to breaching the Terms and Conditions of your domain registration... or if the registrar is notified, then they are required to change it to the correct information. It's easy enough to prove it's not correct right now.

Edit: FYI, "NameSecure" is an ICANN accredited registrar.

There's a lot more info at: http://epic.org/privacy/whois/

[Pyromania]

@Schoenfeld

My father almost died and just had open heart surgery and I am out of town because of that. I have done little if anything on Amiga.org due to the serious unexpected heath complications my father had.

[Wayne]

Everyone is telling us that we can trust the new owners, they will keep their word.

Someone confirmed in this very thread that my account will be deleted "by the end of the week", as I requested. That was almost two weeks ago. Need I say more about trust?

As *I* said, accounts do not get deleted.  Anyone, including Bill P who said differently may be a little confused, which is why I'm still hanging around to teach them.  Whomever may have said differently needs to understand why things happen the way they do.

It has nothing to do with trust, though I'm thoroughly surprised someone as intelligent as you is taking part in all this sillyness.

Your account remains.  Whether or not you choose to use it (and I hope you do) is entirely up to you sir.  It has zero to do with politics and everything to do with the integrity of both this web site, and the data therein.

That being said, if you refuse to see reason or logic, I sincerely wish you good luck, and thank you for everything you did for this community and the Amiga platform.

Wayne

[Wayne]

Mick,

As someone who spent over 10 years working directly for an ICANN accredited registrar (directnic.com), allow me to point out that you're both canonically off your rocker and heading far away from the reservation.

ICANN regulations require legitimate information be held by the registrar.  True.  ICANN regulations require that legitimate information be held for each domain name. That "legitimate" information simply means a valid address and phone number of a person who can speak for the domain name. ICANN DOES NOT however say that the information has to be yours, or even the owner of the domain name.  

As long as the domain's owner CAN BE CONTACTED BY MEANS of the information on file, it is valid.  That means if ICANN wants to speak to the owners, I'll be sure to let them know.

ICANN also does not prohibit anonymous registrations, or better said, registration by proxy, which is why every registrar now offers a domain privacy option.

My name is still listed on the domain name's WHOIS information simply because the announcement of the new owner(s) has not been made.  Once it has, I'm sure the domain's WHOIS entry will change.

Until such time, flatly stated.  "I'm sorry, you're wrong, thanks for playing".  

Wayne

[Wayne]

@Schoenfeld

My father almost died and just had open heart surgery and I am out of town because of that. I have done little if anything on Amiga.org due to the serious unexpected heath complications my father had.

I sincerely hope he's doing better.  Best hopes for a speedy recovery.

Wayne

[Pyromania]

I sincerely hope he's doing better.  Best hopes for a speedy recovery.

Wayne

Thanx for the very kind words Wayne, it is most appreciated. He will be in the hospital for a long time so we take it day by day. He survived the difficult surgery and is slowly getting better.

[amigadave]

@Bill P.,  I hope your Father recovers quickly and fully.

[Pyromania]

@Bill P.,  I hope your Father recovers quickly and fully.

Thanx for the kind words amigadave. He might get out of ICU on Sunday so we are hopeful that will happen.

[amigadave]

@Thread,

What if the new owner is Dick Van Dyke?  Can you understand why he might want to remain anonymous?  Specially now that so many members have blown this up to such a big deal.  

1. He is a long time user and fan of the Amiga.
2. He is elderly and out of the "Lime Light" and I would guess would not want to be the center of attention and have his name thrown about by the likes of many members here after seeing many of the recent posts on this site.
3. He may have simply changed his mind about revealing his identity after thinking it over for a couple of weeks leading up to the ART broadcast.
4. He is one person that likely has the money to pay the asking price for the site and not have to worry about making any return on such charitable contribution to our community.
5. He would not want to make any changes to the site or have anything to do with the day-to-day operations of the site.

I have no idea if Dick Van Dyke is the new owner, but would not be surprised if my guess is correct.  And if it is correct, how foolish are many of you going to feel for making such a fuss about finding out the owners identity?

Lastly, to Jens, I guess you did not see Wayne's post after Bill P.'s post that said no accounts would be deleted.  I respect what you have done for the Amiga community and have half a dozen or more boxes with Individual Computers labels on them from items I have purchased that you have produced, but I do not appreciate your attempt to have the owner reveal themselves by requesting that your account be deleted and all posts that you have ever written here deleted with it.

That tactic (though thankfully declined by Wayne) seems very similar to blackmail or a veiled threat, though I am sure you will see it quite differently from your point of view.

[AmigaHeretic]

The simple fact is there should be NO REASON NOT TO IDENTIFY THE NEW OWNERS.

Maybe, just maybe a woman bought it.  She bought it to give to her Husband as a Christmas gift and doesn't want to ruin the surprise.

And maybe, just maybe, she's a really good wife and WILL let him turn it into his own private Spanish Lesbian website.


God! Let it be my wife!!!  

Can't wait till the 25th now!!!

[kolla]

That tactic (though thankfully declined by Wayne) seems very similar to blackmail or a veiled threat, though I am sure you will see it quite differently from your point of view.

Perhaps it's time to do it the american way... the privacy policy of amiga.org says who amiga.org is, and also suggests that deletion of accounts can be done by mailing Wayne. If amiga.org refuse to live up to their own privacy policy, who should one sue?

As I see it, the new owner is shooting himself in the foot for not being open about it, if anything it just means that many of us will simply leave. But for all I know, maybe that was the plan all along.

[Wayne]

Perhaps it's time to do it the american way... the privacy policy of amiga.org says who amiga.org is, and also suggests that deletion of accounts can be done by mailing Wayne.

Thanks for reminding me to update the terms of service.  It'll be updated shortly.

Wayne

[ZeBeeDee]

Perhaps it's time to do it the american way... the privacy policy of amiga.org says who amiga.org is, and also suggests that deletion of accounts can be done by mailing Wayne. If amiga.org refuse to live up to their own privacy policy, who should one sue?

As Wayne's name is presently on the title deeds to A.org, people would sue him (sorry Wayne but there it is). Jens is perfectly within his rights to persue this further, even if it means going to court.

If the site is not going to uphold it's privacy policy and remove said account upon request  then they are liable.  

IMO Jens is in the right here and Wayne should either block access to the account or remove it forthwith.

The divisions have started, battlelines drawn and it's between 2 of the biggest names in the community - All in the name of an anonymous owner ... go figure!