Netsurf V3.0 Amiga release 2

[Damion]

On my Workbench 3.1 setup *without* Afa_os, NetSurf works perfectly.
Try to put your workbench on a RTG screen with 16 bit depth, instead of leaving the workbench on native screen.

I'll fiddle with it some more, but I normally use a 16-bit RTG screen. The odd thing, it doesn't even load - I click the icon, there's a barely perceptible flash of a window, then nothing. I edit the startup-sequence to enable afa, and it works perfect.

Must be something stupid I'm overlooking.

*edit* ooooh, I think I know what it is

[Drummerboy]

Hey.. what you mean?!.. NetSurf now can Run without GFX Card?

Its possble run in Native Amiga Video Modes?..

[Damion]

I'll fiddle with it some more, but I normally use a 16-bit RTG screen. The odd thing, it doesn't even load - I click the icon, there's a barely perceptible flash of a window, then nothing. I edit the startup-sequence to enable afa, and it works perfect.

Must be something stupid I'm overlooking.

*edit* ooooh, I think I know what it is

Figured this out, it works fine.

The Netsurf icon (like newer Ken's Icons in general) shows up as a "drawer" when using Power Icons, instead of a "tool". Running afa it's recognized correctly, and loads fine.

So just a matter of changing the icon or running from shell.  

Slightly off topic, but can anyone explain this icon weirdness? I've also encountered other issues, for example, using the installer to update afa... when the (Ken's) icons are installed in prefs/, all other icon data in the drawer becomes b0rked and changes to drawers. :/

[Everblue]

How well will this thing run on an A4000T with Cyberstorm II 060/50, 32 megs of RAM and Picasso IV? I was thinking websites like amiga.org, not video streaming sites like youtube

[MozzerFan]

How well will this thing run on an A4000T with Cyberstorm II 060/50, 32 megs of RAM and Picasso IV? I was thinking websites like amiga.org, not video streaming sites like youtube

I've tried it on my a4000d with Cyberstorm mkII, 76 mb ram and PIV, and loading amiga.org takes quite a long time. I didn't measure the time, but I think it almost takes a minute before the whole page is loaded.

[Everblue]

D-d-damn. Whats a decent alternative?

[unusedunused]

>Slightly off topic, but can anyone explain this icon weirdness? I've also encountered other >issues, for example, using the installer to update afa... when the (Ken's) icons are >installed in prefs/, all other icon data in the drawer becomes b0rked and changes to >drawers. :/

powericons is bad written, it do some icon information not store complete that are need for dopus magellan 2.

thats the powericon compatible code, it seem broken in AROS.I see no reason to fix it, OS4 and scalos AFA support a way to show all bits.but powericon store only 4 bits in a mixed way of the 32 bit dd_Flags entrie and the 16 bit dd_Viewmodes entrie ofd the doubject->drawerdata structure

    ATTR_DRAWERFLAGS: AAABC

     C  : 1-bit flag  : 0 = showonlyicons 1 = showallfiles
     B  : 1-bit flag  : 0 = viewastext    1 = view as icons
     AA : 2-bit value : 0 = viewbyname, 1 = viewbydata, 2 = viewbysize, 3 = viewbytype
*/


thats AROS code.


static ULONG flags_to_ddflags(ULONG flags)
{
    ULONG ret = 0;

    if (flags & 1)
    {
       ret = DDFLAGS_SHOWALL;
    }
    else
    {
       ret = DDFLAGS_SHOWICONS;
    }

    return ret;
}

static ULONG flags_to_ddviewmodes(ULONG flags)
{
    ULONG ret = 0;

    if (flags & 2)
    {
       ret = DDVM_BYICON;
    }
    else
    {
       ret = (flags >> 2) + DDVM_BYNAME;
    }

    return ret;
}

static ULONG dd_to_flags(struct DiskObject *dobj)
{
    ULONG drawerflags = 0;

    if (dobj->do_DrawerData->dd_Flags & DDFLAGS_SHOWALL)
    {
   drawerflags |= 1;
    }

    if (dobj->do_DrawerData->dd_ViewModes == DDVM_BYICON)
    {
   drawerflags |= 2;
    }
    else
    {
   drawerflags |= ((dobj->do_DrawerData->dd_ViewModes - 2) << 2);
    }

    return drawerflags;
}

>I've tried it on my a4000d with Cyberstorm mkII, 76 mb ram and PIV, and loading >amiga.org takes quite a long time. I didn't measure the time, but I think it almost takes a >minute before the whole page is loaded.

I try without JIT and really the page load is 4* slower as aweb.aweb show page not complete because of missing CSS, but aweb show many, so its maybe a good compare to see whats so slow in netsurf.also intresting how can switch css off in netsurf, what happen with speed then.

Maybe you can post values of OWB to show that page

[MozzerFan]

@Nostromo
 
Well Ibrowse is still my favourite browser for classic systems (except under winuae).
It's very fast, but unfortunately lacks CSS support.
 
Right now, when I need to do some serious browsing, I either use the PC or use netsurf 68k under winuae.

[Damion]

@bernd

Thanks for explaining


@nostromo

How well will this thing run on an A4000T with Cyberstorm II 060/50, 32 megs of RAM and Picasso IV? I was thinking websites like amiga.org, not video streaming sites like youtube

To load hardforum.com is about 10-11 seconds from the time you hit "enter" in the address bar to the time the page shows up. Then maybe another 10 seconds until everything is done loading. Amiga.org takes a while longer.

While it has less features, 2.1 is a little faster.

Not something you'd want to use as your main browser on a real amiga, but it's fun, and still surprisingly usable given the hardware. Also, the difference between 50 and 66MHz is definitely noticeable.

[wawrzon]

I try without JIT and really the page load is 4* slower as aweb.aweb show page not complete because of missing CSS, but aweb show many, so its maybe a good compare to see whats so slow in netsurf.also intresting how can switch css off in netsurf, what happen with speed then.

Maybe you can post values of OWB to show that page

´
aweb is dead slow comparing to ibrowse. owb, ok i will not comment on that. bernd, lets aim high, not justify what has been achieved. im convinient netsurf can be made faster.

[MozzerFan]

>>I've tried it on my a4000d with Cyberstorm mkII, 76 mb ram and PIV, and loading >amiga.org takes quite a long time. I didn't measure the time, but I think it almost takes a >minute before the whole page is loaded.
 
I try without JIT and really the page load is 4* slower as aweb.aweb show page not complete because of missing CSS, but aweb show many, so its maybe a good compare to see whats so slow in netsurf.also intresting how can switch css off in netsurf, what happen with speed then.
 
Maybe you can post values of OWB to show that page

Well I measured the time and loading amiga.org in netsurf 68k takes 64 seconds on my system. loading amigaworld.net takes 26 seconds.
 
I tried loading amiga.org in OWB 1.3, but that takes forever. after 2 minutes loading amiga.org still wasn't finished, so I gave up.
 
I also tried to use OWB 1.5, but for some strange reason that version doesn't work on my system.
 
Edit: There's supposed to be OWB 1.6, but I can't find it.
 
Edit2: IIRC earlier versions of Netsurf 68k were faster on my system.

[Miked]

I have tried Netsurf 3.0 (using it on Winuae at the moment) and I have to say it is great.  It is definitely an improvement over 2.x.  The next step will be to try it on my 030 Amiga 500 system.  

Thank you to the Netsurf team as this is an amazing web surfing tool for 68k Amigas (no exaggeration).

Edit/

Trying to figure out how to view Youtube videos... Once again I am editing this message with Netsurf 3.0 on Winuae...  amazing.

[wawrzon]

@mozzerfan: owb1.3 was the fastest afair.
@miked: you need a gfx card to use sdl apps!

[x303]

I must admit playing youtube files work better/faster than expected. No slowdown under winuae with 128 MB. Works even faster than FF3.5/3.6 over here. Shame ffplay blocks netsurf, so you can't do anything else.

x303

[apj]

Shame ffplay blocks netsurf, so you can't do anything else.

It is made so you can browse other sites already. ffplay is run like other process.
Click on browser window to focus. Hope that helps!

[unusedunused]

>It is made so you can browse other sites already. ffplay is run like other process.
>Click on browser window to focus. Hope that helps!

I change newest SDL so it use at default this way:
A sdl program with active window use normal pri (0).when the SDL window is deactivate then taskpri is change to -1.so your amiga can run at full speed wtih other programs, because SDL programs are most bad written and slow down whole system when a program run.

netsurf is compile with newest sdl.
But ffplay can release too with the new sdl.so when deactivate ffplay window other programs that run at pri 0 get more cpu time

but all tasks that are above 0 are not change in pri.so sound in ffplay have always priority>0.same is with the picture and network thread.only the main task, that read and decode ahead video data run at pri-1.

And if your system is slow and need play lots audio, then you have no good performance.

best is for classic use 3gp videos in grayscale play.

the behavior of SDL can switch off if you really notice problems with env var
env:SDL_NOLOWERTASKPRI

to get more better and more configurable task sheduler and responsnes of AOS, try out

http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/Executive