68060 speedup patches + more

[Acill]

It did make the old drawer, but the problem was with the assigns it made for all the tools it added. When I rebooted it didnt like my picasso96 screens any more, couldnt find ENV and asked for it, so restoring my files was  pain in the butt. It was easier to just format and reboot with my backup drive. I plan to try again and see if I selected something in the install I shouldnt have.

[utri007]

Thomas : You were right about 15 years ago. Now regular amiga user is about 45 years old male, most of us have a work etc. No problem to pay kickstart.

There are still those who whine about money because they are used to that, but still they have money.

Another thing is those who have found amiga again becuase of cheap gotek drives, they might thing that anything over 20%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;/$ is too much. BUT they wouldn't have any use to 1mb official rom.

Those who like to have it are hardcore hobbyists whit all possible expansions. Money is not a problem. I spend some 500-1500%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364; per year to my hobby.

[dannyp1]

Ahh Utri, TR is right.  Amiga users are cheap and want everything for free.  Jens released a special edition ACA accelerator a month or so ago for just over $300.  Didn't you read all the comments on the thread from people crying about the price?  In 1995 that same item would have sold for $1300.  Look at the people who don't want to pay for the HS math libs and the Warp datatypes.  MUI development stopped because nobody wanted to pay for it.  Why do you think very little is being developed new for Amiga's?  Because nobody wants to pay.  I notice that you have a very nice Amiga collection and mine is similar but we are in the minority.

[psxphill]

There are reasons by PCs run with a Bios - and UEFI is approximately as bad as an idea as the Kickstart was, even though it is much less complex. Look at all the UEFI bugs that were discovered in the last years, including some bugs that could brick your entire system...

I don't agree that kickstart is a particularly bad idea. If you had a flash chip instead of a rom, like every PC available today, then it would solve most of the issues.

[QuikSanz]

I don't agree that kickstart is a particularly bad idea. If you had a flash chip instead of a rom, like every PC available today, then it would solve most of the issues.

Hmm, nice idea :-) Anyone got a ROM to flash adapter with images?

[guest11527]

It did make the old drawer, but the problem was with the assigns it made for all the tools it added.  

Assigns? Which assigns? None of the tools requires any assign, actually. There is only one temporary assign ("..MU..:") added during installation, but only to facilitate the installation process. The startup-sequence is backed up, and the user-startup is not touched.  

When I rebooted it didnt like my picasso96 screens any more,  

It is not too unlikely that the mediator is the source of the problem. This is another hardware that does not use autoconfig to add its resources to the system.

[guest11527]

I don't agree that kickstart is a particularly bad idea. If you had a flash chip instead of a rom, like every PC available today, then it would solve most of the issues.

Could we please stop this "what-if" game? A flash chip was not available back then, and would have been even more expensive to ship the kickstart with it.  Besides, it does not solve the licensing issue, as there is neither a licensed 1MB ROM *image* you could flash.

The software solution allows easy upgrade, with the machines available today, and with no hassle, and no extra cost for the user.

[Tygre]

bump!

I just had this issue as well with a Blizzard 1260/66Mhz. Was dissapointed in the speed.  I then did the following from my research:

-Latest libs!  (040_060Libs.lha)
-BlizKick
-FBlit
-FText
-BlazeWCP
-CopyMem060
-UtilPatch060
-CyberPatcher

and it has made a big difference!  52 mips on SysInfo.

Hi there!

With a very similar config., but a few different patches, I reach slightly better raw performances...



Cheers!

[stefcep2]

Could we please stop this "what-if" game? A flash chip was not available back then, and would have been even more expensive to ship the kickstart with it.  Besides, it does not solve the licensing issue, as there is neither a licensed 1MB ROM *image* you could flash.

The software solution allows easy upgrade, with the machines available today, and with no hassle, and no extra cost for the user.

I actually think for those users who now do have a way to make their own 1 MB ROM the current system IS a hassle.

They are not depriving you or any author of any revenue, and if it fails, no-one is demanding anything from you.  They simply want all the patches and fuctionality available at first boot.

Does it really matter if someone uses a different medium ie ROM as opposed to hard drive and RAM to load the same information if thats what they want, knowing the risks of bugs in ROM?

[TjLaZer]

Hi there!

With a very similar config., but a few different patches, I reach slightly better raw performances...



Cheers!

Can't read your SysInfo screen!  Too small   I think it says 54 mips?

Do you mind posting your Startup-Sequence?

[guest11527]

I actually think for those users who now do have a way to make their own 1 MB ROM the current system IS a hassle.

And the hassle is exactly what? SetPatch keeps care of it, or LoadModule.

They are not depriving you or any author of any revenue, and if it fails, no-one is demanding anything from you.  They simply want all the patches and fuctionality available at first boot.

Yes, all the functionality, at no charge. That is what Amiga users want. Sorry, won't go. The ROMs generate no revenue for me, instead they would require a new ROM every year, or every time someone fixes a bug or moves out a new version. This doesn't scale and it is completely unpractical. In reality, how much are users expected to pay for a reduction of boot time of 15 seconds or so?

If you want a half-way decent ROM with *some* patches in place, get the one from Cloanto. What, too expensive? Not completely up to date? See, this is the drawback of the ROM. Have *YOU* in specific bought this product? No? Why not?

You cannot get both. Cheap, updated - or slow upgrade policy and expensive. Pick one of two. But don't complain to me. I support both versions. The Cloanto ROM works perfectly fine with MuFastROM. LoadModule works perfectly fine if you use the RAM-Upgrade path. If you don't trust me, Heinz' ROM-Updates also work fine.

Now what is exactly your problem? That you cannot pirate existing software and create your own ROM and have it supported for free? I'm sorry, I won't offer that.

Does it really matter if someone uses a different medium ie ROM as opposed to hard drive and RAM to load the same information if thats what they want, knowing the risks of bugs in ROM?

*Sigh*. Once again: The *medium* does not matter. The process of dissecting the existing ROM matters, and the integration of RAM-based modules into the ROM matters.  

INAL, but this is as far as I see and understand it not covered by the license. I do not know the precise conditions off my head concerning the kickstart, but if you'll look at my own software as an example, it's license clearly says "Everything must be kept together in original unmodified form". I would be astonished if CBM/Hpyerion/Cloanto would allow you to rip their products apart to create something new. But again, don't ask me. Ask Hyperion or Cloantom and please post the response here. I'm happy to change my mind if they indicate positive feedback and allow this process - for whatever use they seem fit.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

And the hassle is exactly what? SetPatch keeps care of it, or LoadModule.

I've actually got so many modules patched by LoadModule that I've hit the "Line too long" error in Ed.  Not to mention that one typo could hose the entire house of cards... but other than that, meh.  It works.  

[utri007]

Reinstalling Amiga 1200/600 can be real pain, without a 1mb rom.

Any hard drive works, compared that needs to test about 5 diffrent IDE hard drives to found one wich actually works. My current hard drive didn't work at all with original kickstart 3.1.

There is a official kickstart 3.1 with newer scsi.device, but workbench library is left out. That could also be dead end with real amiga.

With 1mb rom any hard drive works to reinstall, I could start with it Deluxe Pain program floppy, need just text editor (ed) and shell.

[stefcep2]

And the hassle is exactly what? SetPatch keeps care of it, or LoadModule.  Yes, all the functionality, at no charge.

What? The 3.5/3.9 updates are paid for with OS 3.5/3.9 CD, as are the Boings 1 and 2, and Boings 3 and 4 are PD and need the official 3.5/3.9 CD to work

[That is what Amiga users want. Sorry, won't go. The ROMs generate no revenue for me, instead they would require a new ROM every year, or every time someone fixes a bug or moves out a new version. This doesn't scale and it is completely unpractical. In reality, how much are users expected to pay for a reduction of boot time of 15 seconds or so?

You don't need to do anything additional than what you already are. The user can burn their own ROM at their expense.

If you want a half-way decent ROM with *some* patches in place, get the one from Cloanto. What, too expensive? Not completely up to date? See, this is the drawback of the ROM. Have *YOU* in specific bought this product? No? Why not?

No I haven't bought the Cloanto ROM because this is the first time I heard of it. Its not on a ROM chip so it still leaves me with a double reset which i detest so much.  Instead I have created a 3.1 environment with PD off aminet with enough of the 3.9 functionality that i don't notice that i'm not on 3.9

You cannot get both. Cheap, updated - or slow upgrade policy and expensive. Pick one of two. But don't complain to me. I support both versions. The Cloanto ROM works perfectly fine with MuFastROM. LoadModule works perfectly fine if you use the RAM-Upgrade path. If you don't trust me, Heinz' ROM-Updates also work fine.

No disrespect to you or your work but I have never used it....knowingly.

Now what is exactly your problem? That you cannot pirate existing software and create your own ROM and have it supported for free? I'm sorry, I won't offer that.

My problem is that the licensing is unncessarily closed to people who simply want to use software they have paid for ina more efficient form that they are willing to create for themselves and at their won risk

*Sigh*. Once again: The *medium* does not matter. The process of dissecting the existing ROM matters, and the integration of RAM-based modules into the ROM matters.  

In what sense does it matter?  Licensing?  Functionality?  Stability?

INAL, but this is as far as I see and understand it not covered by the license. I do not know the precise conditions off my head concerning the kickstart, but if you'll look at my own software as an example, it's license clearly says "Everything must be kept together in original unmodified form".

Whoch is fine- i don't use it as i said earlier

I would be astonished if CBM/Hpyerion/Cloanto would allow you to rip their products apart to create something new. But again, don't ask me. Ask Hyperion or Cloantom and please post the response here. I'm happy to change my mind if they indicate positive feedback and allow this process - for whatever use they seem fit.

People having been using rom2fast and numerous other system patches that were not official since the very first amiga.  They've paid for the system software, they are using it for their own purposes, they are not expecting any additional support, they are not depriving anyone of any revenue nor passing the work off as their own.  They simply want another way to run it different to the original design.

[guest11527]

I've actually got so many modules patched by LoadModule that I've hit the "Line too long" error in Ed.  Not to mention that one typo could hose the entire house of cards... but other than that, meh.  It works.  

Well, ROM-Updates solves at least this problem... One possible extension I had in mind is that LoadModule goes through the list of ROM-Modules and updates every module for which it finds a similar name in LIBS:, DEVS: or L:.

Whould this solve your problem?

It is however not quite that simple: A couple of modules exist more than once, i.e. there is more than one exec.library and there is more than one scsi.device so this idea still requires some thought.

[guest11527]

Reinstalling Amiga 1200/600 can be real pain, without a 1mb rom.

Any hard drive works, compared that needs to test about 5 diffrent IDE hard drives to found one wich actually works. My current hard drive didn't work at all with original kickstart 3.1.

Why does that correlate to the ROM size, and why does the Cloanto ROM not work? If you want to "install" an Amiga, this hardly depends on the ROM, or leave alone its size. It depends on the availability of the medium containing all necessary files. If workbench.library is on it - no problem.

So please don't try to find excuses if you want to be cheap.