Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement

[illy5603]

YES, AMIGA BRANDED MACHINES IS THE ONLY WAY THAT AMIGA WE'LL EVER REGAIN FULL IDENTITY, even if the machines can be purchased only via the internet for the time being.  Porting to this or that machine to be installed by this or that hobbyist is small thinking, IMO (but it still beats being held hostage by AI).

If your business is the OS, as it is for Hyperion, then it makes sense to get the OS on as many computers as possible. If I could throw WB 4.1 on one of my old Intel PC's sitting around, I would probably buy it and do so but I am not buying a PPC system just to run it.
 
Amiga branded system, yeah that would be nice but I don't see it happening.

[persia]

I got the impression that AMiga inc was talking about CECT when it mentioned mobile phones.  CECT was on the hunt for an OS when the strange email form McBill arrived.  

As far as I could tell the Indian branch was never anything other than a way to launder money out of the country.  People in the Indian IT industry I knew, including university instructors in Poona, had never heard of it.

[cha05e90]

"Port OS 4 to Intel hardware and I'll happily order a copy the day it's released."

...whatever happens - there is someone who wants AOS on Intel. :-(
If this really happens, I'll be out and quit AmigaOS.

[Crom00]

Wow... Aros is really nice on a virtual machine via Parlells.. I can only imagine how cool OS 4 would be on native intel hardware. Fix Classic Workbench support add emulation. Nice..

Let just hope the Amiga curse doesn't make Hyperion go bonkers...

[TheGoose]

Well that is another chapter closed, good to hear!

Hyperion can even support 68K OS3.x some, and get a few bucks out of that.
I know I might buy an update to 68k AOS...

Good luck Hyperion, you will need it and a few smart decisions!


Amiga Inc is going to disappear...

[hbarcellos]

"Port OS 4 to Intel hardware and I'll happily order a copy the day it's released."

...whatever happens - there is someone who wants AOS on Intel. :-(
If this really happens, I'll be out and quit AmigaOS.

You're just mad because you spent "A LOT OF MONEY" on a Sam board...

[Dandy]

@Editor,

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The problem I see, and have always seen, is that regardless of who the "winner" of the lawsuit turned out to be, the OS is still absolutely worthless without three things.  Cheap and fast commodity hardware, programmers and software.
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Hmmmmm - now they are free to support available and affordable High-End PPC hardware like this YDL PowerStation: http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/specs.html

Prices: http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/price.html

I'm sure once AmigaOS supported at least one core, the developers would be attracted to develop on this machine and to take advantage of the underlying power. I'd expect the development of more modern power apps and an OS development towards multicore capability and 64 bit architecture from that.

Now, that's simply not the case any more, and frankly, it'll be impossible to attract any real development base to any future OS platform *unless* Hyperion pull the stick out and port it to modern, cheap, commodity hardware (aka Intel)..
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While I agree that it might be worth the effort to port the OS to Intel in the long term, it might be easier and less hassle (endianess) in the short term to support the box mentioned above with the current PPC OS and to modernize it there (as mentioned above). That should attract the "development base" you mentioned.

[Dandy]

I feel there is some information missing about the agreement. An agreement is normally made by two parties that find that they get some benefits from the agreement.

Maybe AI felt it as enough benefit that they were not sentenced because of the fraudulous transfer of IP from AI (W) to AI(D)...

Hyperion get the rights to the OS, but what did Amiga Inc get out of it?

The chance to get out of it without being sentenced?

Did Amiga Inc realize they were in deep sh*t, and just made the agreement to avoit a counter-lawsuit?

I would not say "a counter-lawsuit" - with this agreement they avoided being sentenced in THIS lawsuit (and obviously in all other pending, too).

And who is paying for the lawsuit anyway - lawyers are far away from cheep. Amiga is claimed by many to be near bankrupt, and I guess Hyperion havent been making to much money on OS4 sales to pay everything either..

That remains to be seen, I'd say...

[dammy]

They are not partners. Not according to the Hyperion press release. Amiga, Inc. no longer owns or has rights to AmigaOS 4. Hyperion is the sole owner of AOS4. Just like Amiga, Inc. has or had, Hyperion now has unlimited rights to Amiga OS 3.1. Hyperion now has Amiga OS and is completely separated from any entanglemnet with Amiga, Inc.   All Amiga, Inc. has is Amiga Anywhere and whatever other rights/ownership of previous Amiga OS versions. Amiga, Inc. previously mention and long in development Amiga OS 5 is sunk. At least under that name.

1. AI/Itec never owned OS4 Object/Source and that was the law suit of Itec's to gain Object/Source from Hyperion.

2. They already had access to 3.1 (and not 3.5/3.9), which means the IP they used (since they didn't use the source code) for OS4 is now locked to Hyperion.

3. Nor did Hyperion's announcement say they were no longer associated with AI.  This is a settlement between two partners over a contract dispute, both sides had to give.  That means AI got something out of this fails to mention what that was. Since I doubt Hyperion could afford significant payment to AI and they did change legal status, it does make one wonder if AI got shares out of Hyperion.

[Aussiholden]

Ok, it might be a little too soon to ask, but i'm still confused. Were dose this leave Amiga inc, bankrupt ? Out of Buisness ? Is Hyperion going to trash the Amiga cos there's no money in it anymore ? Will we have to pay for Winuae, or will they be threaten by legaality to cease continuing development due to breach of copyright or what ever excuse they might make up. All i can see is this is not over, and i would be very sceptical about what ever happens to the Amiga.

[jj]

@Editor,

I have no qualms about selling the Web site, regardless of what obsolete and unobtainable hardware Hyperion choose to port the OS to.  I'm not even quite sure I'd care if they ported it to an off-the-shelf, current, Intel Mac to be honest.

The problem I see, and have always seen, is that regardless of who the "winner" of the lawsuit turned out to be, the OS is still absolutely worthless without three things.  Cheap and fast commodity hardware, programmers and software.

This is 2009, soon to be 2010, and we are a far cry from the massive development community of 1987/88.  Back in those days, there were far fewer choices for developers.  Namely, there was Unix, PC running DOS, Mac, or the Amiga, and the specs on the Amiga were 10x any of the others at the time.

Now, that's simply not the case any more, and frankly, it'll be impossible to attract any real development base to any future OS platform *unless* Hyperion pull the stick out and port it to modern, cheap, commodity hardware (aka Intel)..

In regards to Hyperion and all this talk of porting, please keep in mind that they did NOT win the right to develop new hardware and/or call it an "Amiga".  They simply -- apparently -- won the rights to AmigaOS 4.x...    It would still be up to Amiga Inc (from what I understand as an armchair lawyer) to develop any hardware to match the OS if you want some new machine to be labeled an "Amiga".

edit: back to the point though...  I'm at a point in my life (unemployed without prospects, and quickly approaching bankruptcy) where -- even if Hyperion does port it to something top-shelf, I can't guarantee I'll be interested.  As such, better the site goes to a new team with fresh eyes and a more dedicated heart than for me to keep passively participating.

Wayne

Sorry OT I know, did you ever announce who bought the site and I missed it?

[Mangar]

Count me in as one of those who would pay $$$ immediately for an x86 version of OS4.

I just hope hyperion has the resources to actually do something special.

[persia]

Clearly you don't understand the difference between civil and criminal law....

Maybe AI felt it as enough benefit that they were not sentenced because of the fraudulous transfer of IP from AI (W) to AI(D)...



The chance to get out of it without being sentenced?



I would not say "a counter-lawsuit" - with this agreement they avoided being sentenced in THIS lawsuit (and obviously in all other pending, too).



That remains to be seen, I'd say...

[persia]

Nothing has changed with Classic AmigaOS, it remains the property of Amiga Inc, UAE is fine, but if Hyperion wish to distribute ROM images and Classic OS versions they need to deal with Amiga Inc.  The agreement appears to only cover code used from 3.1 not 3.1 itself.

Ok, it might be a little too soon to ask, but i'm still confused. Were dose this leave Amiga inc, bankrupt ? Out of Buisness ? Is Hyperion going to trash the Amiga cos there's no money in it anymore ? Will we have to pay for Winuae, or will they be threaten by legaality to cease continuing development due to breach of copyright or what ever excuse they might make up. All i can see is this is not over, and i would be very sceptical about what ever happens to the Amiga.

[jj]

Can somebody explain the significance of hyperions change CVBA.  What does this mean  ?

[persia]

It's a change in liability, if Hyperion goes bankrupt the creditors can no longer go after the assets of the Frieden Bros or anyone else who has a share of the company.

Can somebody explain the significance of hyperions change CVBA.  What does this mean  ?