A4000 bootdisk CD/DVD support

[jedcooper]

I just took a look at the disk; looks a bit messy, but if it works for you, then great.

I would suggest to use a different CD filesystem than the one you have installed though. IDEfix 97 is available as a demo version; CacheCDFS works better than CDFilesystem. I'm sure there are other and better CD filesystems out there.

Craming a TCP/IP stack onto one disk (I see no point in the need of two disks; ruins the whole idea) will be a challange. Miami is out of the question, and AmiTCP can be a pain to set up, but good luck with it.

Another suggestion would be to install a file manager on the disk.

now, back to topic. thx for your all advises, even in PM. appreciate that.
so whats wrong with CDFileSystem? working good for me, never had any problems. and it's small and does transfer my backups flawlessly, that's what important is for a bootdisk.
i think CD/Network and tools alltogether on one DD disk is nearly impossible, but i might try it for sure. two disks would be ok if a RAD: or RAM: is used? but this keeps the requirements growing. even if the standard A4000 got 2MB of RAM: i'm not sure if it will run a tcp/ip stack together with a filled ramdisk.
got a PM where someone made a bootdisk back in the good ole days with some tiny dialup software. even on A500 it would be interesting to get that run...

one even can't put all network/cd drivers on a disk either. nor every full distribution freeware notes and guides to get thomas' point.

hmm... i have to make a decision...

[doctorq]

so whats wrong with CDFileSystem?

As I said in my first post, if it works for you, good for you. I just wouldn´t use it for my own boot disks.

I truly believe that a filesystem from 1999 adds better support for modern standards compared to a filesystem from 1993.

[jj]

and they might have done that. quite for sure at this topic. so calm down. YOU don't have to urge who (me) or others break any laws or not.
 
we are here on a "retro" forum and not microsoft or else modern piece of soft/hardware. so i don't think that now a taskforce will come and close this forum :roflmao::laughing:
 
 
to be honest: though i know that for myself, so i removed it.
i don't like THESE wise-guy comments. and they're not (more) needed here for sure!

 
Its not about claming down or thomas having a cow.  He is correct its against the TOS and posting guidlines of this site.  Any Yes Amiga INC will go after people breaching copyright on WB files.

[jedcooper]

i noticed this, and now it is OK!
so how may i get this stuff legal?

f.e. to get rid of this: may i write an installer script which copies original files from the user to this bootdisk? and get a list of requirements added, so he might copy the smartfilesystem file standalone and so on?
how do i get know of which files are free, and which not? for most archives there are the licenses included, but i'm not quite sure about scsi.device f.e.
this is essential and i would like to include this on disk/installer, so there are no version conflicts or searching the aminet for the right version.
if users had to do all this, they would have no usability of such thing anymore...

[utri007]

Copyrights in this case are from deep deep ....

We all need prober boot disk and there is none. I suggest that, this is so useful tool and needed badly, that we should stop arguing about copyrights in this case

[doctorq]

I suggest that, this is so useful tool and needed badly, that we should stop arguing about copyrights in this case

Dispite it being useful (I doubt it is needed badly, there has hardly been any requests here on amiga.org) copyright is still copyright.

It sucks that one can't make his/hers bootdisk available for free download. A guide on how to make his own bootdisk would be the road to follow in order to avoid copyright problems.

[jedcooper]

Dispite it being useful (I doubt it is needed badly, there has hardly been any requests here on amiga.org) copyright is still copyright.

It sucks that one can't make his/hers bootdisk available for free download. A guide on how to make his own bootdisk would be the road to follow in order to avoid copyright problems.

for the installation issue: may i use the installer? which i think everybody has installed. so i could write a script for it and distribute it.

[jj]

for the installation issue: may i use the installer? which i think everybody has installed. so i could write a script for it and distribute it.

 
You can use it, but not put it on your disk.  Though there are free alterntaives on aminet

[jedcooper]

You can use it, but not put it on your disk.  Though there are free alterntaives on aminet

i expect everybody got this, or can get this easily.
so i may distribute an installer script written by me?

are there any guides/howtos/tuts for installer?
i don't want the aminet alternatives, because they're not spread widely enough, i think. but if they're compatible? then the next issue is how to spread these alternatives further... no. no more added problems for this.

[utri007]

I haven't reinstalled my amiga for ages now, because  it so dam difficult. Good boot disk would make it so much simplier.

Installer freely downloadable from aminet and it is distributed with many games and programs.

I would belive that you can put it you disk.

PS. Isn't so that hyperion has rights to amiga os 3.0 -> maybe they could help

[jedcooper]

I haven't reinstalled my amiga for ages now, because  it so dam difficult. Good boot disk would make it so much simplier.

Installer freely downloadable from aminet and it is distributed with many games and programs.

I would belive that you can put it you disk.

PS. Isn't so that hyperion has rights to amiga os 3.0 -> maybe they could help

i will do an install script, maybe some files as startup-sequence, version checker and so on. but i'll think about it first...

i will not put the installer or other on some disk or with my bootdisk-creator script.
you will need a running amiga to create such bootdisk. what you personally do after that is not my business.
i see no (fast, legal) possibility to do it otherwise. so i guess it will be an .lha archive on aminet.
but i need to get familar with installer scripting at first.


manual bootdisk creation (for short!):

for quick setting up your amiga you'll need the OS 3.5 CD and workbench/installer 3.1 disk,  crossdos, an empty disk (make that bootable).
copy workbench over, delete some unneeded stuff, copy hdtoolbox from install3.1 disk and try to get the CD/DVD drive to run using the bootdisk.
then you can install complete 3.1/3.5 very fast from CD.
don't forget: set up your harddrives (recommending SFS) before, and format them. you'll need SFSFormat and SmartFilesystem for that.
you additionally need a newer scsi.device (>43.xx above) respectively a patch file because it's in the kickstart rom, loadmodule, and maybe another 1 or 2 things. so internet access or crossdos is mandatory!

i could post my mountlist and/or startup-sequence later, if i get my A4000D back running.

i have to mention that Thomas got a little similar description also on his website. (but not for bootdisk, mainly for running systems, more generic)



regards
jc

[doctorq]

I haven't reinstalled my amiga for ages now, because  it so dam difficult. Good boot disk would make it so much simplier.

And a boot disk might not even get you nowhere. If you downloaded a boot disk, you must have more or less the same hardware as the creater of the boot disk. Even the boot disk the OP posted here has a DVDRAM driver that will get him nowhere, as it's pointing to blizzppc.device, which you will never be able to install in an A4000 (blizzppc.device is the build in device driver found on Blizzard PPC boards).

Even if it was legal to distribute these bootdisks, you would still either have to adjust your system, or the bootdisk. A guide on how to install the DOS driver, the filesystem and how to mount the dosdriver would be better for most. Of course it means that the ones using the guide actually have to spend some time finding out how their hardware works, but you would need to do that with a boot disk as well.

[jedcooper]

as my signature, i got no blizzardppc. and never got one.

my used driver/cdfilesystem works for quite ALL CDROMs (same as it handles 1000s of harddiskdrives) tested it with 4 different ones. 32x CD, 52x CD, DVD-Burner+DVD-RAM, CD-RW-Burner.
so i don't see the point there. a short device mountlist for more support i.e. DVD (if it didn't work already) isn't that much space either.

i don't know what to modify a system/bootdisk here? plain A4000 with HDD as master Unit 0, CD/DVD as slave Unit 1 is the first (most common) you setup ever. later if it runs all well you add software, hardware etc.
even with hardware added you can plain boot from it with internal IDE/CD/DVD.
i don't know any fixes needed (at boot time) for additional hardware to not get a hang of the whole system. because the added hardware is not supported nor used by my bootdisk.

my bootdisk is and will be for A4000D 3630/3640 and those variations EC/LC whatever and i won't support other things. if it runs on other hardware (what i guess it WILL!) it's ok, otherwise hard luck. period.

if i got my script ready and some ideas, we could add radiobuttons for different hardware and so on later on.

[doctorq]

as my signature, i got no blizzardppc. and never got one.

But your bootdisk still contains a device driver that points to blizzppc.device (check DVDRAM in Devs : DOSDrivers

my used driver/cdfilesystem works for quite ALL CDROMs (same as it handles 1000s of harddiskdrives) tested it with 4 different ones. 32x CD, 52x CD, DVD-Burner+DVD-RAM, CD-RW-Burner.

And it will work vith a lot of other drives as well.

so i don't see the point there. a short device mountlist for more support i.e. DVD (if it didn't work already) isn't that much space either.

Yep, lets clutter up the disk with unneeded stuff; that's always good.

i don't know what to modify a system/bootdisk here? plain A4000 with HDD as master Unit 0, CD/DVD as slave Unit 1 is the first (most common) you setup ever. later if it runs all well you add software, hardware etc. even with hardware added you can plain boot from it with internal IDE/CD/DVD.

All true, except for the bit about after adding hardware.

my bootdisk is and will be for A4000D 3630/3640 and those variations and i won't support other things. if it runs on other hardware (what i guess it WILL!) its ok, otherwise hard luck. period.

See, that's new information. All you wrote earlier was that you had a A4000 boot disk with CD support. That's true for the A3630/3640 Amigas.

Otherwise, chill. I'm not bashing your work here, by all means keep it up. A simple guide telling how it works and on how to get CD working would be so much less work. Those expecting to find a boot disk that will install eveything by itself are to used to PCs. This is Amiga, it takes a bit more effort to get it running.

[jedcooper]

Yep, lets clutter up the disk with unneeded stuff; that's always good.

first you claimed there is much other hardware, too less support, then you claim of cluttering the disk up. what is unneeded at supporting a DVD?? WHAT DO YOU WANT?

See, that's new information. All you wrote earlier was that you had a A4000 boot disk with CD support. That's true for the A3630/3640 Amigas.

and will be true on many other hardware configurations.

Otherwise, chill. I'm not bashing your work here, by all means keep it up. A simple guide telling how it works and on how to get CD working would be so much less work.

if i wanted that, i'd done that.

Those expecting to find a boot disk that will install eveything by itself are to used to PCs. This is Amiga, it takes a bit more effort to get it running.

do you think i'm using amiga the first time or after buying a PC? get lost and don't wreck my nerves further with this unneeded discussion here.

you'd better tell me how to do an install script or where i can find a guide, what would maybe further most common drivers be, what could be useful as tool. and not claiming what it all DOES NOT.



to all others, if you got something constructive to add, feel free ;-)

regards
jc

[doctorq]

first you claimed there is much other hardware, too less support, then you claim of cluttering the disk up. what is unneeded at supporting a DVD?? WHAT DO YOU WANT?

Again chill. I guess the opinions of those that says it's all great means more than those that try to give you informaton. Oh well.

I have never said that it was unneeded to support a DVD. You said it yourself that you have never had a BlizzardPPC, which indicates that the DVDRAM driver is from somewhere or someone else. This leads me to believe that you don't entirely knows how the DOSDrivers work.

As for cluttering up the disk; do you see a point in having something mounted that can't be mounted at all and points to devices that can't even be mounted on an Amiga 4000? And who has 4 floppy drives connected to their Amiga? If you clutter up the disk with unneeded stuff, you will never be able to get a TCP/IP stack running from one disk, or even two.

and will be true on many other hardware configurations.

Nope. As soon as you switch to a different CPU card that needs CPU specific libraries you will run into trouble. So will those that use different controllers on their Amiga.

if i wanted that, i'd done that.

I'm sure, but it will still be a better option than writing a installation script that needs you to get this, get that, etc.

do you think i'm using amiga the first time or after buying a PC?

How you can get that out of the following statement I simply can not understand...

Those expecting to find a boot disk that will install eveything by itself are to used to PCs. This is Amiga, it takes a bit more effort to get it running.

And I still stand by my words. You can not make a boot disk that will boot and install everything by itself while you are leaning back in the chair. These people need to put a bit more effort into.

get lost and don't wreck my nerves further with this unneeded discussion here.

You asked for feedback, I gave you feedback. It was obviously not the feedback you wanted.

you'd better tell me how to do an install script or where i can find a guide, what would maybe further most common drivers be, what could be useful as tool. and not claiming what it all DOES NOT.

Why would I when you clearly don't want my help? All I was trying to do was to inform you about some points that was worth taking a look at, and the problems you can expect to run into. You wanted neither of the information, so there is really no need to inform you any further.

The final reason for pointing out what it can not, is only to get these problems solved, so it actually can do what you are hoping for it to do (for instance getting a DVD accessable from Workbench).