Blackbeltsystems.com

[tasmanian guy]

Hey,
 
I am returning to the Amiga scene and have recently purchased Amiga Forever 2009 which I run on a Vista laptop!
 
Talk about having a fast Amiga!
 
First thing, is there anyway to run Amiga Forever so it runs off a hard drive as I am thinking of recycling a Celeron 800 with 512mb ram and a 80 gigabyte hard drive as an Amiga (the case looks like the old Walker case and with a boing sticker, who'd know the difference?) ..he he he
 
Worse case scenario is to install Windows XP and then change the logo.sys and so it boots straight up into Amiga Forever with Workbench 3.x
 
Anyway I thought I'd do a search for some old software I used to use and found out that black belt systems have got winimages!!!  Ah reminds me of the Amiga days of old!  Anyway was wondering if anyone uses this on a Vista operating system (64 bit), I sent them an email but never got reply.
 
So am hoping someone here can answer my question.   Long live the Amiga in whatever form it comes in (whether it be amiga forever, minimig or the classics).

[Matt_H]

Welcome back!

There's a small bit of documentation over at Cloanto's site about creating a bootable environment here.

There's also X-Amiga.

But since WinUAE is by far the best version of UAE, setting up a cut-down Windows box might be the best option. I think it does work under WINE, though, and there was also a thread here a few days ago about compiling the WinUAE sources using some shared WINE files to sort of get a WinUAE binary running directly under Linux. I didn't follow the thread, so I don't know if anyone fully determined how possible it was.

[the_leander]

If he's going down the cut down XP route, I'd suggest he check out BartPE as a means to do so.

Good luck!

[Karlos]

But since WinUAE is by far the best version of UAE, setting up a cut-down Windows box might be the best option. I think it does work under WINE, though, and there was also a thread here a few days ago about compiling the WinUAE sources using some shared WINE files to sort of get a WinUAE binary running directly under Linux. I didn't follow the thread, so I don't know if anyone fully determined how possible it was.

Not sure about the compilation step, but you can definitely run WinUAE under WINE. There are some user interface glitches I noticed. For example, on my machine, hitting F12 to bring up the emulator GUI is a mistake. It seems the keypress event gets sent in a loop, so every time you close the window, it instantly reopens.

Fortunately, the UAE sys tray icon is emulated in my gnome's notification area and you can safely open and close it from there.

Performance wise, it can be noticeably faster than E-UAE running on the same machine. Haven't yet really gotten to the bottom of this, I can only assume the emulation is a bit more mature.

[T3000]

found out that black belt systems have got winimages!!!  Ah reminds me of the Amiga days of old!

BlackBeltSystems WinImages. The grownup big brother of ImageMaster. Funky interface, loads of operaters, well worth the price.
ImageMaster on the Amiga was on of my favorite image manipulators.

[terminator4]

Welcome here.  Amiga Forever is not a true Amiga.  Its just an emulator ;-)
If you want modern hardware get Amiga One (if available lol) or SAM board with OS4.  Or pickup an A2000 or A3000 or A4000 (good to expand).
I have some software if interested, or checkout many of the still in business Amiga dealers.
ciao,
t4.

[Karlos]

Welcome here.  Amiga Forever is not a true Amiga.  Its just an emulator ;-)
If you want modern hardware get Amiga One (if available lol) or SAM board with OS4.  Or pickup an A2000 or A3000 or A4000 (good to expand).
I have some software if interested, or checkout many of the still in business Amiga dealers.
ciao,
t4.

Let's not start that nonsense again, shall we? And before you start, that's coming from the owner of an A1 with OS4.1. What constitutes a "true" amiga is totally subjective. If it runs your chosen software properly, meeting your needs, it's as good as any "true" machine.

[cecilia]

Amen, brother!!

the creator of the summographics tablet driver and Lightbox (which was later incorporated into DeluxePaint) once said that anything that wasn't an Amiga 1000 wasn't a "true Amiga"

she was just making a point, not creating a debate

I used her 1000, but I have owned 2000's and use whatever I can. the tools don't matter, only the tooluser

[justthatgood]

Most people in there right mind don't actually want to spend money on lots of hardware. Usually what they are most interested in using is the software. Software is the actually congregation that you worship with and converse, hardware is just the building...

[tasmanian guy]

Hey I didn't want to create a fight about a real Amiga vs emulated one :-)
 
Anyway does anyone here know if winimages is Vista compatible or not as I want to buy it but don't want to be stung if it doesn't work on my Amiga / Vista laptop...he he he.
 
Cheers!

[terminator4]

@Karlos

It may be nonsense to you.  However, I'm entitled to my "nonsense" opinion as much as you are to yours.
To me a true amiga is amiga classic or reincarnation of amiga hardware (Amiga One, Pegasos, minimig, Sam board).  I think I will never call an emulator an Amiga, it is nothing but an Amiga Emulator running on el cheapo PC hardware.

@tasmanian guy
Of course not.  Seems the moderator is overreacting. ;-)  I myself own classic machines and Amiga One, and might get SAM when i get some money...  no real argument here.

[JimS]

It's hard to see a distinction between running classic Amiga OS & software under emulation on an A1,Pegasos, or Sam and running UAE on a peecee. Of the lot, the minimig is the closest to some theoretical "True Amiga". Those others have about as much in common with the original Amiga hardware as a load of dingo's kidneys. ;-)

[T3000]

Anyway does anyone here know if winimages is Vista compatible or not as I want to buy it

I don't see why it shouldn't run on Vista. The requirements page doesn't mention Vista though... Special $50 price offer expires Aug 2nd! HURRY!

[the_leander]

@Karlos

It may be nonsense to you.  However, I'm entitled to my "nonsense" opinion as much as you are to yours.

Difference is, his isn't nonsense. I'll point out why below:

To me a true amiga is amiga classic or reincarnation of amiga hardware (Amiga One, Pegasos, minimig, Sam board).  I think I will never call an emulator an Amiga, it is nothing but an Amiga Emulator running on el cheapo PC hardware.

In reality, both the A1 and the Sam should read not as el cheapo PC hardware, but biblically overpriced broken hardware. Of all of the "reincarnations", only the Pegasos 2 (or at a stretch, the peg1 provided it had the april fix) board was fit for purpose. The comment below covers minimig better then I would have.

It's hard to see a distinction between running classic Amiga OS & software under emulation on an A1,Pegasos, or Sam and running UAE on a peecee. Of the lot, the minimig is the closest to some theoretical "True Amiga". Those others have about as much in common with the original Amiga hardware as a load of dingo's kidneys. ;-)

QFMFT++

[Karlos]

@Karlos

It may be nonsense to you.  However, I'm entitled to my "nonsense" opinion as much as you are to yours.
To me a true amiga is amiga classic or reincarnation of amiga hardware (Amiga One, Pegasos, minimig, Sam board).  I think I will never call an emulator an Amiga, it is nothing but an Amiga Emulator running on el cheapo PC hardware.

In every real sense, every Amiga in your list except for the classic is an emulation to some extent. A1, Sam and Peg all have to emulate the 680x0 in software and none of them can run anything that absolutely requires access to the native chipset. Minimig runs 68K in genuine M68K hardware and provides chipset compatibility via an FPGA emulation.

UAE is simply an Amiga where everything is emulated in software, and in doing so, provides greater compatibility with classic Amiga/m68K software than the others, even MiniMig (which, if IIRC, is currently OCS or perhaps ECS only). Interesting that you completely left out Amithlon

@tasmanian guy
Of course not.  Seems the moderator is overreacting. ;-)

What, I'm not entitled to an opinion? Overreacting would have been deleting your post.

I myself own classic machines and Amiga One, and might get SAM when i get some money...  no real argument here.

Likewise. I also run UAE, which on my non-cheapo PC is extremely capable and very useful.