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Where can I buy Amithlon?
« on: October 31, 2003, 08:42:20 AM »
I know there has been some legal problems with Amithlon, but does it mean I can't get it (ie. old stock, etc?)

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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2003, 08:45:13 AM »
Theoretically, you should be able to buy it just about anywhere. H&P still sell it, even though they know they don't have all the licenses for the IP.

I got my copy before all of that and while I love it more than anything, if I had heard what they did to Bernie before I did, I doubt I would have bought it in the first place.

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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2003, 09:13:18 AM »
I think Software Hut still sells it. Try them at www.softhut.com
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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2003, 09:37:44 AM »
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Hisham wrote:
I know there has been some legal problems with Amithlon, but does it mean I can't get it (ie. old stock, etc?)

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I believe used Amithlon CD's are probably the "most legal" as at least Bernd probably recieved a little of that, but any product bought new at a dealer is completely illegal and nothing is recieved by it's author.

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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2003, 09:50:38 AM »
I should point out that it appears that Amithlon (AmigaOSXL) is one of the products H&P have dropped from their catalogue, though H&P are confirming nothing and have not informed the developers.

It has been reported - by a reliable source - that Markus Nerding (one of the partners) confirmed in a private e-mail that H&P have dropped out of the Amiga market, and it has also been confirmed that they have made their one and only Amiga software support employee redundant.

In view of this, anyone still wanting to purchase Amithlon should not buy directly from H&P but seek a vendor with old stock instead, and "haggle" for a low price because it is a discontinued product.

There appears little chance that the two original developers of Amithlon will come to any agreement which would allow for any significant upgrades in the future, or even the re-appearance of Amithlon on the market
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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2003, 11:29:19 AM »
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There appears little chance that the two original developers of Amithlon will come to any agreement which would allow for any significant upgrades in the future, or even the re-appearance of Amithlon on the market


What about Umilator or whatever it was called?  I thought that was enirely Bernie's own work.

Also I'm really interested in finding out more about that Mac emulation project he showed at usergroup meeting.
 

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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2003, 11:32:27 AM »
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There appears little chance that the two original developers of Amithlon will come to any agreement which would allow for any significant upgrades in the future, or even the re-appearance of Amithlon on the market


What about Umilator or whatever it was called?  I thought that was enirely Bernie's own work.

Also I'm really interested in finding out more about that Mac emulation project he showed at usergroup meeting.


You know, I was wondering if Amithlon could be used for 68k MacOS... Macthlon?
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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2003, 11:36:21 AM »
I thought the 'thlon' bit came from the fact that it runs on x86 hardware...?
 

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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2003, 11:39:42 AM »
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I thought the 'thlon' bit came from the fact that it runs on x86 hardware...?


I think he ment if Amithlon could be used to run 68k MacOS on a pc the same way as you use it to run 68k AmigaOS.
 

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Re: Where can I buy Amithlon?
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2003, 02:11:43 PM »
Righto, I'll try to answer the various questions, but first I feel the need for a disclaimer:

I haven't had any personal contact with Bernie for nearly a year now, so I have no inside information whatsoever. What I've posted in this thread so far is public knowledge from the mailing list, and what follows is in most cases my interpretation and understanding. As such, it should be assumed that it may be inaccurate, in whole or in part.

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What about Umilator or whatever it was called? I thought that was enirely Bernie's own work.


Yes, it was called Umilator. It's not necessarily accurate to say it was entirely Bernie's work as it still contained some legacy UAE code (as does Amithlon) but it did not contain any of Harald Frank's work or IP whatsoever.

IMHO it is highly unlikely the project would be revived as it was then. There is still the issue of third party licensing (some of which is resolved, perhaps all of it) and then there is the inevitable hassle that would be received by anyone involved. Bear in mind that the personal abuse and threats going around a year ago did not originate from H&P.

There is also the inevitable fact that circumstances have changed. Bernie now works full-time and he has recently moved house. It is highly unlikely he'd be able to devote the same time to such a project that he used to.

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Also I'm really interested in finding out more about that Mac emulation project he showed at usergroup meeting.


I know absolutely nothing of this beyond what was made public on the websites. To refresh everyone's memory, it was an Umilator style system based on PPC architecture rather than x86. It was(is?) Bernie's intention to make this run on Macs as well as Pegasos motherboards. When ready, such a system would be released under the GPL and the user would have to install any proprietary software themselves.

My guess is that if we are ever to see any of the Umilator work released, it will be as an x86 version of the above rather than a commercial product with inclusive licenses.

It's also worth noting that H&P have made no official announcement regarding Amithlon. This is not surprising, as the contract they insisted was still in effect giving them publication rights still has 12 months to run and AFAIK there is no clause allowing them to drop their responsibility without penalty before the due date of expiration. I don't expect to see any official statement from H&P on this matter.

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You know, I was wondering if Amithlon could be used for 68k MacOS... Macthlon?


You mean running 68k MacOS as opposed to AmigaOS? As it stands: no, although parts of the technology could of course be reused for such a project. The JIT part is already integrated into the x86 version of BasiliskII and of course you can run Shapeshifter under the emulated Amiga on Amithlon.

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I thought the 'thlon' bit came from the fact that it runs on x86 hardware...?


It comes from the fact that it was developed on (and basically optimised for) an AMD Athlon processor. "Amithlon" was the development codename for the project and not necessarily the product name. That's why Amiga Inc talked about "AmigaOS x86" when they demoed it at the 2001 AmiWest show. However, the codename was leaked during the intensive interest that followed the show and it stuck, becoming the official name when H&P got the publication rights later.
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