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Offline orangeTopic starter

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auction question
« on: July 28, 2009, 04:04:34 PM »
lets say I've bought HDD on an auction site (similar to ebay) and it cost 5eur+2eur postage.
if it was broken and I return it, should I pay for both postages (the seller returning only 5eur)?
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Re: auction question
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 04:41:55 PM »
It depends on the sellers terms. Did you expect to get a working harddisk for 5 euro, then posted securely for 2 euro..
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Re: auction question
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 04:57:55 PM »
well it was advertised as 'working'. I specifically told the seller to pack it properly which he ignored and put it in plain cardboard.  then he claimed I can return but its my cost. (I assumed only one postage and returned the item)
he also wants me to give him positive feedback before getting any money back.
what would you do?
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Re: auction question
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2009, 04:59:21 PM »
at that price I would just junk it and forget it ever happened - if you were in the UK, I'ld send you a working one for free at shipping cost :/

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Re: auction question
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 05:05:47 PM »
I think you just experienced a bad sale.  Best to just forget it at that price and move on as Nostalgiac says.  What I may suggest is that you could ask for your money back (of the hard drive - not the shipping) by sending him a photo of the drive in it's rubbish packaging - that way you woudl feel better about giving him positive feedback?  In fairness he won't want a broken hard drive back anyway and normally unless shipping insurance is purchased, postage is never normally refunded either way.
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Re: auction question
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 05:27:34 PM »
Why even consider giving him possitive feedback?  You should get all your money back.  If it was the sellers fault, then he should eat all the costs.

I had a Sega CD that I sold that turned up bad.  It was good when it left but since I guaranteed it wasn't DOA I refunded the purchase price + shipping + $1 for the money order (this was pre-PayPal days).
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Re: auction question
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 05:44:00 PM »
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Why even consider giving him possitive feedback?  You should get all your money back.  If it was the sellers fault, then he should eat all the costs.

Well, I would say, why even consider buying a harddrive from a non-professional individual and expect it to arrive working in the first place? I've purchased a few HDs online in the past from online stores. Out of the 8 or so I have purchased, two have arrived dead. They were purchased brandnew from Amazon and Dabs, two companies who are not known for deliberately shipping defected goods and pack their items well enough to withstand a bomb-blast.

You see, it's a game of Russian Roulette when you buy a hard drive and have it mailed. HD's are EXTREMELY delicate and the slightest knock can cause it to have a headcrash. Add to that the fact that postmen are not known for handling people's post delicately and you have a recipe for a HD arriving DEAD.

I think you'd have a nerve to leave negative feedback for this guy when your own common sense should have told you that there was a high chance of the drive arriving dead even if (as he more than likely did) he shipped it in perfect working order.

No, you should be a reasonable human being and just accept it as a loss and learn from your own mistake. This guy is probably a regular non-professional seller just clearing his loft and doesn't need to be left a negative from the likes of some people posting in this thread who don't seem to understand the risks involved with shipping harddrive technology.
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Re: auction question
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 06:00:09 PM »
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No, you should be a reasonable human being and just accept it as a loss and learn from your own mistake. This guy is probably a regular non-professional seller just clearing his loft and doesn't need to be left a negative from the likes of people posting in this thread who don't seem to understand the risks involved with shipping harddrive technology.

Strange comments.

Common sense 101 clearly states that it is the sellers responsibility to understand just what it is he is selling. Too many non-professional dolts "clearing their lofts", not giving a hoot, not really knowing what works or not, horrible descriptions, poor pictures, trying to make a buck online when they aren't even qualified to be selling out of a yard sale. Why continue to protect these types? Orange should get his full money back and it is the seller that needs to learn the lesson.

If the buyer requests careful packing, then the seller (which he should have automatically done) needs to oblige - period. The schmuck should have never offered 2€ shipping in the first place if he knew straight away that it wasn't going to be packed properly.  

I had a similar experience on a different site. Paid a premium for 2 5-1/4" disk drives to be shipped. Before paying, I communicated to the seller that I need these to be packed in bubble wrap. Well, the dipstick sent them in bubble wrap all right. He put the two drives together (metal touching metal, plastic and circuits) and wrapped a single piece of bubble wrap around them! They were essentially loose, floating around in a box of sparse packing peanuts! Needless to say, there are now unnecessary scratches and who knows if they work or not. Common sense really is dead today. You might think it is my fault for not taking the dolt by the hand through the packing process, but I have a flawed tendency to think that if they are selling technical items, they should have a little more brain cells than the average village idiot. My bad   ;-)
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Re: auction question
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 06:15:24 PM »
I thought non-operating hard drives could take something like 40 Gs these days.  Seems like they shouldn't be all that hard to ship successfully.
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Re: auction question
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 06:29:16 PM »
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You might think it is my fault for not taking the dolt by the hand through the packing process, but I have a flawed tendency to think that if they are selling technical items, they should have a little more brain cells than the average village idiot.;-)


I agree, perhaps they should have more common sense. :-) and I have experienced the same shody packaging myself in the past and wondered HOW in hell would anyone package delicate items like this!?

but you are dealing with the general public, like it or not. most people on eBay are just regular Joes, they're not out to rip people off or purposefully package items in a bad way. they're just inexperienced and do not have the man-power, years of experience and technical know-how of professional retailers, such as Amazon or Dabs. Yet we somehow stupidly expect, just because their listings are surrounded by eBay's corporate logos and slick listing design theme - a 100% guaranteed "professional service". lol....please!

you have to be reasonable with people, and you have to be honest with yourself and ask "was it sensible to buy what is probably *THE MOST* delicate electrical item (ie: a harddrive) imaginable from a non-professional seller". Then I think you'll see that it was a silly move.

Companies such as Amazon have actually spent big bucks on scientific research on packaging techniques. When I recieved my borked HD from Amazon the packaging didn't even contain a single strip of "bubblewrap". It was actually package with strange angular cardboard supports, designed through their research to absorb shocks more effectively.

There are just some items which should never be purchased from amature sellers. and a Harddrive is _obviousely_ one of those items.
 

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Re: auction question
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 06:43:03 PM »
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I thought non-operating hard drives could take something like 40 Gs these days.  Seems like they shouldn't be all that hard to ship successfully.

in theory, but reality proves to bite. :)  who said this particular drive was a modern drive with this non-use protection, do you have the specs? and even with this technology, are you disputing that HDs are one of the most delicate electronic items to ship?

meh, do not buy secondhand HDs from non-professional sellers and expect them to arrive working. they may, or they maynot. it's pot-luck. that's the only opinion i have on this issue. :P
 

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Re: auction question
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 07:04:42 PM »
save2600 & tone2600: haha, I just realized. You two are from the States....the land of Blame Culture where a person can purchase a cup of _HOT_ Chocolate from McDonalds advertized as "SCALDING HOT" and yet sue McDonalds for serving it "too hot" when you get burnt. :)

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Re: auction question
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 07:22:41 PM »
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but you are dealing with the general public, like it or not. most people on eBay are just regular Joes, they're not out to rip people off or purposefully package items in a bad way. they're just inexperienced and do not have the man-power, years of experience and technical know-how of professional retailers, such as Amazon or Dabs. Yet we somehow stupidly expect, just because their listings are surrounded by eBay's corporate logos and slick listing design theme - a 100% guaranteed "professional service". lol....please!

you have to be reasonable with people, and you have to be honest with yourself and ask "was it sensible to buy what is probably *THE MOST* delicate electrical item (ie: a harddrive) imaginable from a non-professional seller". Then I think you'll see that it was a silly move.

Companies such as Amazon have actually spent big bucks on scientific research on packaging techniques. When I recieved my borked HD from Amazon the packaging didn't even contain a single strip of "bubblewrap". It was actually package with strange angular cardboard supports, designed through their research to absorb shocks more effectively.

There are just some items which should never be purchased from amature sellers. and a Harddrive is _obviousely_ one of those items.


I'm not trying to be a prick, but disagree with most of the logic here. It does not take a rocket scientist or ANY "man years" of experience to properly pack something. An individual or a corporation should know better - it's as simple as that. And I don't buy the excuse that corporations are the only "entities" with the resources to develop safe shipping practices. That notion is a bunch of hullabaloo and you're really devaluing your fellow human if you really believe that. If anything, by way of politics, policies and horrendous communication - corporations are less likely to get something done right and consistently. Same goes for governments. Both points are being proved each and every day.

I still say though if you are selling/shipping something you have NO knowledge of, you are not qualified to be selling said items and as such YOU should be held liable for your actions or inactions. Like sending a HD in box with no packing: that's just plain stupid. And not sure where you are getting your data on Amazon specifically, but I've returned more DVD's and SACD's to them than any other company for sending in a bubble wrap envelope! You do not send those kinds of items that way and expect it to arrive safely. A 5 year old would even know better.

And "technical and professional" retailers? lol  Those types of companies, run by people that know and care about their customers have long since passed. Decades ago. Companies no longer even know who their clientele really is. That's why, when they find themselves in dire straits, they pay so called "marketing groups" to tell them what to do and who to market to. And even they get it wrong much of the time. We're now living in the most uncouth, least educated, do-it-yourself Wal-Mart mentality of times. It's a wonder anyone can transact business for long at all anymore. This level of customer service would have NEVER been allowed to occur years ago, when standards were higher. Somehow though, today's savvy (yeah right) consumer copes as they continually lower their standards. And thanks to the short sightedness of instant gratification, "we" did it to ourselves. Our country is only exporting something like 1/4 (probably less) of our GDP while we continue to rake in 3/4 of the Chinese garbage people are all too happy to clammer and trudge down to their generic Big Box shops to buy.

I've personally sent and received dozens of HD's throughout the years from companies and amateurs alike. Can't recall ever having a single problem. Not even with the boat anchor I just bought off Red! lol

I do agree though that many people on ePay or wherever are not purposely trying to scam others. They're just constitutionally retarded, lazy and plain don't care. You may be compassionate enough to rationalise their behaviour - but I refuse to accept their excuses and certainly would never consider them the "norm" - even though it sure seems that way today.
 

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Re: auction question
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 07:26:42 PM »
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This statement should be true equally for the buyer and the seller.  Each has a responsibility to uphold their part of the transaction.  The buyer has a responsibility to pay the seller and provide shipping information, and the seller has the responsibility to pack and ship the item, hopefully well enough to arrive without destruction.

Obviously, the seller did a piss-poor job of packing the item, and it's most likely their fault it arrived broken.  Hopefully he learned from his mistake and will take more care in the future, nobody wants to be bothered with refunds and returns.
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Re: auction question
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2009, 07:53:49 PM »
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save2600 & tone2600: haha, I just realized. You two are from the States....the land of Blame Culture where a person can purchase a cup of _HOT_ Chocolate from McDonalds advertized as "SCALDING HOT" and yet sue McDonalds for serving it "too hot" when you get burnt. :)

sometimes you have to take responsibility for your own actions and their consequences :)


whahaha - I don't entirely agree with you on this occasion - but I DO agree with you on a general point  :-D

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