Would you pay $100 for an updated Classic AmigaOS?

[Fester]

Would you be willing to pay $100 for an updated Classic AmigaOS?

Eek. Difficult to answer. I probably wouldn't. I'd be more enclined to purchase whatever I need to run 4.1. Not sure. Depends on the day, the medicine, the most current frustrations, broccoli and other factors.

[zylesea]

I would pay $100 for someting like MorphOS 2.x for 68k. That would rock on my UAE-EeePC. But since I know that this is rather unlikely to happen I toy around with AFA OS. It offers nice enhancements for OS3.x. But eventually it is miles away from MorphOS.

[smerf]

Would you be willing to pay $100 for an updated Classic AmigaOS? What features would you request for it to implement, enhance or bugfix? (Please do avoid senseless crap about DVD players for a poor 68k cpu, be realistic about what you can actually expect).

For example, in my case i would defintely pay $100 for the following integrated AmigaOS enhancements:
-DHCP support on a TCP-IP stack
-A CSS capable web browser that works on AGA/RTG
-A decent file decompression program WITH FILE COMPRESSION support
-An updated easier to use HDToolbox program
-A video player that supports FLV, WMV, MPG, QT and AVI, much like RiVA did with MPG, supporting both AGA and RTG
-A decent CD/DVD filesystem handler that supportd UDF, Multisessions, Dual layer DVDs
-An integrated CD/DVD burner application
-New Filesystems support: NTFS(Win7), HFS(Mac), ext4(linux) and one for efficient flash storage
-New and highly optimized BMP, PNG and TIFF datatypes
-A fully working version of MUI or an AROS optimized zune port

Thats it

Hi,

I would pay $100 for an updated OS for the Classic Amiga, but only if they made it for the Classic Amiga, not that PPC processor type, face it PPC is dead, the only way Amiga is going to move forward is to pick a cheap usable computer system like a PC and build a new Amiga OS that works on a PC, I would include Apple, but I hate Apple computers. Why make an Amiga OS for a PC, because I believe that the Amiga OS is one of the few OS's where you know what is going on, you know what is in your startup sequence, devs, libs, etc. so it is harder for these morons to infiterate your computer and add stuff like malware, spyware, trackers, etc. so why would I want an updated OS for the classic Amiga, it would be nice to have an updated web browser, auto install DHCP etc. but in most my views the Classic Amiga is a dead unit, there is no way to get software developers interested in a machine that is this old, so we need to think of not only a new OS but a machine that is upgradeable so that software developers might take an interest in the new Amiga.

smerf

[NovaCoder]

If they brought out an ehanced and stable OS3.9+ which was targeted at AGA only with 030/060 only then I'd be interested in buying it....I just wouldn't want to pay much for it

It's shame OS3.9 is such a mess, it seems like it was targeted at everything from the low range 020 4mb ram running in 16 colours on a interlaced TV to PPC user's running RTG....oh well.

[mike-]

Depending on the update, really.

Some your suggestions make perfect sense.

There is one AGA/RTG CSS capable web browser on the way ( see merlin http://home.planet.nl/~spijk336/browser/home.html )
There is an ext2 (/3?) driver, ntfs i've seen either for mos or os4 or something, but why would we need nfs?

This would be practical practical
-A fully working version of MUI or an AROS optimized zune port
-A decent CD/DVD filesystem handler that supportd UDF, Multisessions, Dual layer DVDs
-An integrated CD/DVD burner application
-New and highly optimized BMP, PNG and TIFF datatypes


Maybe you should read this, focusing on common ground could be the way to go.
http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2968&forum=21

Which would either mean MUI4 or Zune, updated libraries to at least provide some compatibility with os4/mos/aros. SDL for AGA is something i miss, all apps are RTG these days, disregarding the fact that AGA is good enough with http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/gfxroute http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/fblit http://www.platon42.de/files/util/TLSFMem.lha http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/SystemPatch299 add some http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/BlizKick if capable, stir and you get a pretty snappy aga, If you were to command os39 to store icons and images in fast ram, its even faster (duh)  .

A p96 AGA hack/driver would be neat.

[Jope]

I can´t get all this AROS excitement.

Have played with it before, and it´s really interesting. It´s also a huge achievement from all the guys that work at it, and i praise them.

But as it´s incompatible with the software library for OS 3.x, what´s the point in running AROS? It´s a cool system as i said, but it doesn´t replace OS 3.x?

The point was, use AROS components to update OS3.x on the classic amiga. If the components are not backwards compatible, some more work is needed.

I don't care for the x86 build of AROS either.

Just like the ARP rewrote some of the 1.3 commands, the AROS project has rewritten a lot more than just a few CLI commands. And on top of it all, the source code is available.

You won't be getting the 3.x source code form amiga inc, or any of their affiliates, I'm sure, so why bother updating 3.1 when you can replace parts of it with code that is truly free and available?

I'm sure you're familiar with http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/afaupload.php ..

[Marcb]

@Gulliver

Yes, I'd pay for an updated Classic AmigaOS, why not? I paid for 3.5 & 3.9
:lol:

[marcfrick2112]

Yep, I agree with fester... Depends on broccoli

As has been mentioned much of the needed updates to OS3 are available from 3rd parties ...  I don't think I would spend the money, unless it was a significant update... and then who knows how well (or even if) it would run on 68K Amiga's .....

What I Would pay for, though, is some kind of 'smart troubleshooting' program.  Example, something that could automatically check for common dumb mistakes like having V. 3.67 of FBlit in C: , but an older vers. of FBlit.library in LIBS: ( D'oh!) Etc. Maybe even checking an entire SYS: for incorrect versions of files, known program incompatabilities.... OK, I know it may not even be feasible, and would certainly require huge amounts of time, effort, and broccoli ... but it would help a lot of people.....

Marcb: I bought 3.5 and 3.9 too.... but I don't have so much extra money these days ....

[unusedunused]

SDL for AGA is something i miss, all apps are RTG these days, disregarding the fact that AGA is good enough with

you can use SDL with AGA, when you use the CGX AGA driver.

the speed is of course not good, but the speed when use AGA and SDL is always worse because AGA use bitplanes and SDL use only chunky pixels.

the convert from planar to chunky is always a slow process
and next problem is that most users that have no GFX card on their amiga have a slow system.

SDL get popular when the CPU speed on X86 was over 100 MHZ.

so use a sdl program on a 020 or 030 CPU and AGA is really unusable slow.

[trip6]

I would pay $100 plus for a port of whdload to OS4.1 that would make classic amiga games compatible and runable under the new OS 4.0 /4.1... I am a gamer so OS 4.1 sucks for me, and I will always run Classic Amiga OS 3.1 until somebody does this, because there is no migration path to OS 4.1 for gamers. So yes I would pay $100 for an updated Classic Amiga OS based on the fact I could run games on it...

[slayer]

11 A4000's!!!  You need to sell a few of those to new recruits and make some new Amiga users with half of those machines.  (just a suggestion)

I understand the logic but you simply collect Amigas as you go along because you never sell anything Amiga... well, that's what has happened in my case...

I am considering selling a few A500s at some stage, going to build nice systems with A590s etc... got 25 of that model, SO... that's a few more than 11 and I wouldn't feel it so much ;-)

[DiskDoctor]

I'd pay for an OS 4.1 for old PPC Macs!

I'd pay 200$ for MacMini PPC AmigaOS4 - or MorphOS!!

About this AROS story here again, it is not a functional system since it doesn't work on most PC/notebook SoC configurations (like mine hp530 and others, too).  I bought some game for my laptop - HoM&M V - and it didn't work because of the embedded Intel graphics.  But this is just a game, I got rid of the box, end of story.  Operating system - another story.  Especially when all decent Linuxes (Ubuntu, Fedora) install practically on anything.  I am more to happy that iMica exists, but to me, that would be another (third) hardware at home - just like Sam for AOS4...  My point is AROS team should really focus on SoC graphic drivers, since in say two years, 90% PCs will be notebooks.  Basing on that assumption, AROS isn't a x86 compatible system now.  Please take it into account while mentioning its tremendous benefits.

[unusedunused]

I bought some game for my laptop - HoM&M V - and it didn't work because of the embedded Intel graphics.  But this is just a game, I got rid of the box, end of story.

then you seem have a very old intel graphic.the 945 chipset is used in imica too and when AROS on this work, then it should work on all this many systems that use intel 945 chipset.but what always not good, there is no compatibility list of AROS HW.I think every user who get AROS running native should report his system, so a list can make and i thik that show that AROS run on much hardware types

but even if AROS not work native, it can use on linux or vmware and on PPC Hardware.

CPU is native and not emulate, and on a notebook that have 2* faster clockrate as a AOS PPC Hardware software should run faster.

but whats miss are programmers that support AROS with programs.
the marketing is also bad on AROS in compare to PPC AOS.

for example YAM run on AROS but there is no news or screenshot until now see.

[amigadave]

I understand the logic but you simply collect Amigas as you go along because you never sell anything Amiga... well, that's what has happened in my case...

I am considering selling a few A500s at some stage, going to build nice systems with A590s etc... got 25 of that model, SO... that's a few more than 11 and I wouldn't feel it so much ;-)

I totally understand collecting Amigas and never selling them.  I still have my first A1000 that I started with and my collection had grown to over 20 Amigas at one time before I finally sold a couple.  I am in the process of setting up the few that I want to keep the way I want them and then I want to sell the rest to people that will use them.

Better than that, I would like to find some non-Amiga users that have never seen one before and get them hooked on learning about Amigas and sell/give them an Amiga so it would contribute to growing our tiny community by a few new members.  Maybe one of them will become a programmer and write something really great for our AmigaOS, MorphOS, or AROS (ICAROS) systems.

[slayer]

Maybe one of them will become a programmer and write something really great for our AmigaOS, MorphOS, or AROS (ICAROS) systems.

This would be a rather more desirable outcome than the users I used to know back in the day who were happy to buy the hardware but preferred pirated software...

Could never work out how people could enjoy something they hadn't paid for...

I play 360 games at the moment and I've brought every one... thing is, I've finished them all as well... generally people who pirate software haven't got alot of time for finishing games they decide aren't quite up to spec... and generally if you buy it you would try harder too :hammer:

[actung_bab]

yes argree 100 percent