Is there any need for up-to-date software for AOS 3.x?

[ami_stuff]

:confused::confused::confused:

You're confusing things, my friend. i see no relation at all between what we was discussing, and what you are saying now.

As I understand you want to tell me that I should be happy because I see a increasing download counter and I shouldn't ask users if they would like to see more software like I already ported (this is some kind of reward when they answer yes), but at the same time you ask users INDIRECTLY for reward by placing PayPal button on your web page (Help us help you!). This is a bit stange. Why is there a PayPal button when you don't feel any need for reward? Download counter should be enough and you should be happy because of incrasing download counter, isn't it? There is no need for ANY other reward, right?

Well, unless you're indirectly requesting money to continue updating your ports.

Not at all.

[wawrzon]

this is a little confusing now... but as far as i see its a paypal button for supporting amiga.sf not ami_stuff. please correct me if im wrong but as far as i see this is not a personal site of any private person but just a site where open source software for amiga is being published. thus i dont take it as if any request for financial support was made.

[ami_stuff]

this is a little confusing now... but as far as i see its a paypal button for supporting amiga.sf not ami_stuff. please correct me if im wrong but as far as i see this is not a personal site of any private person but just a site where open source software for amiga is being published. thus i dont take it as if any request for financial support was made.

No, donations are for Diego.

You may not take it as a request, but for sure when someone donate, it is a reward for Diego.

When Diego can ask for rewards by money, I can ask in any other way I like.

That's all what I want to write about this subject.

[dcr8520]

@ami_stuff

again, you're confusing things.

We said nothing about Donations, i hope you get them as well by the work and time spent porting. but we are not talking about this.

You're requesting people to vote in a "Yes" or "Yes" poll to know if you should update your ports. Something which obviously you already know because ppl is already downloading your ports and therefore there is interest.

[ami_stuff]

@ami_stuff
You're requesting people to vote in a "Yes" or "Yes" poll to know if you should update your ports. Something which obviously you already know because ppl is already downloading your ports and therefore there is interest.

No I don't know that, because people may only download the software for test and delete it after that. Download counter tells nothing.
EOT?

[Fester]

wasn't Y2K a non-event?

LOL! I bet those who wrote books about it at the time, don't have them listed on their current resume.

[dcr8520]

When Diego can ask for rewards by money, I can ask in any other way I like.

What really is rewarding to me is the fact you take me as example on how to do things...directly or indirectly

Note thats just a button on a private website, and that button isn't seen on the main page. isn't like if i place the button altogether with release news. i never asked users on a public forum what i should do, i always did what i did because i enjoy doing it, if later ppl show me its support fine (additional motivation), else no problem because  it's just a hobby i enjoy doing.

[DiskDoctor]

@ami_stuff, *

OK, that does it.

It's the second time in a month I see some "committed" Amiga coder is moaning that "numbers are counting, money isn't".

Before I say what I say I'll make short statement.  I love all Amiga stuff, try to donate everything I touch, consider this an honour.  And a duty.  But I also respect others' opinions (like freeware = freeware etc.)

My views about freeware in general...  It's a tough issue, especially when I'm writing this on Kubuntu...  To cut story short - it is the market, the users who decide what's cool and what ain't.  So when commercial app continues lifecycle, it means it's damn good, despite free competition existing (i.e. OOffice for Windows etc.)

But coding stuff and saying "I wish not only counters rolled" is a rare hypocrisy.  I mean as a statement of a person, I'm not connecting this into Amiga world.  Also, "donate or else..." threats make me say the conclusion:

Look: try to decide if you want to be freeware or not!  If not, make 99c price.  If not, abandon your work or go for some software house where people pay for coding.  But please, CHOOSE YOUR DAMN BUSINESS MODEL, WHETHER BUSINESS OR NOT FOR THE SAKE!!!

I write this because to my knowledge, most "flags of freedom" software projects end up in such an embarrassing manner.  Or just that kids graduate and start their work, adult life etc.

Sorry for my temper but all I want is to point out that:
- freeware is a hoax
- any amiga fan should donate hard if possible -- BUT ONLY AS LONG AS HE/SHE LOVES THE APP, not just "fine".
- coders should have annual plans with threshold; "10$ anually = I won't continue", but NO threatening, man!
- personally I think ALL Amiga apps should be proprietary

Fine.

[ami_stuff]

What really is rewarding to me is the fact you take me as example on how to do things...directly or indirectly

Note thats just a button on a private website, and that button isn't seen on the main page. isn't like if i place the button altogether with release news. i never asked users on a public forum what i should do, i always did what i did because i enjoy doing it, if later ppl show me its support fine (additional motivation), else no problem because  it's just a hobby i enjoy doing.

That's really cool and nothing bad about that, but you have a hope that someone will donate, so this way you will get an additional reward, otherwise you would not place PayPal button on your page, this is also asking publicly in some way (every user see PayPal button). Different people needs different rewards. You can't criticise me that I ask for any reward when you do the same, but in the other way. Maybe this "pool" was not the best idea...

.. and now peace, love etc.

[dcr8520]

No I don't know that, because people may only download the software for test and delete it after that. Download counter tells nothing.EOT?

oh, well... i understand you now.

You didn't updated any of your ports yet

it's a little time the one you have involved in porting i think, start updating the most downloaded packages, and then check downloads after a period of time. if downloads get increased regarding the previous build you know what to do, else... it's still simple as that

[AmigaMance]

@ami_stuff, *

OK, that does it.

Oh-oh! :shocked:

It's the second time in a month I see some "committed" Amiga coder

 Why the quotes? Do you have reasons to believe otherwise and to be sarcastic towards him?

is moaning that "numbers are counting, money isn't".

 And what's up with you? At least he is a porter, he contributes to the community. What are you?

Before I say what I say I'll make short statement.  I love all Amiga stuff, try to donate everything I touch, consider this an honour.  And a duty.

 This honors you indeed. No sarcasm included.

But I also respect others' opinions (like freeware = freeware etc.)

 Did he said something different? What other opinions?
The rest of your post is crap talking and it doesn't deserve to be quoted.


@Diego
 I respect you as much as i respect ami_stuff, since you both contribute to the community with your ports and all. But, you have to see started this fight. You REALLY shouldn't have said that:

Public reward or acclaim is most certainly a fine thing!And it costs nothing.
 

 indeed, if you are with lacks of ego

 As a porter/coder yourself you should be able to understand his personality and his sensitivities better than me. And yet, you don't. Perhaps you just don't try enough, imho. I wish you both take a deep breath and stop this madness.

[odin]

Pancakes.

[DiskDoctor]

 Why the quotes? Do you have reasons to believe otherwise and to be sarcastic towards him?

This kind of discussion as seen above or a few weeks earlier tell me committed people shouldn't moan.  They just simply assumed someone would donate every two-three months and they turned out to be WRONG.  So DON'T blame the users, blame yourself!!

 And what's up with you? At least he is a porter, he contributes to the community. What are you?

I am nobody as you must know already.

 This honors you indeed. No sarcasm included.

Good point.  I didn't see sarcasm in it, too.

 Did he said something different? What other opinions?
The rest of your post is crap talking and it doesn't deserve to be quoted.

OK.  I just passed to PG Law studies so that my speech is gonna be even more crappy.  MOOORE!

@Diego
 I respect you as much as i respect ami_stuff, since you both contribute to the community with your ports and all. But, you have to see started this fight. You REALLY shouldn't have said that:

Public reward or acclaim is most certainly a fine thing!And it costs nothing.


indeed, if you are with lacks of ego

100% agree.  As I said in the very beginning, it's the SECOND time in a month on this VERY forum.

 As a porter/coder yourself you should be able to understand his personality and his sensitivities better than me. And yet, you don't. Perhaps you just don't try enough, imho. I wish you both take a deep breath and stop this madness.

Amen!  No more. Or as I said - stop moaning or do it PM'ly / email / whatever.  If your assumptions fail, rethink and choose your distribution model.  I like coding too but it has to be in a fancy style, face it or you should grow up.  End of story three of you.  Please.

[dcr8520]

Amen!  No more. Or as I said - stop moaning or do it PM'ly / email / whatever.

We already stopped it (with understanding from each other, i think) are both you who started it again now :p

[ChaosLord]

What I'd need lately is ... a version of Lha which correctly handles archives with thousands of files (both OS4 and 68k versions have problems, at least under OS4, while LZX seems to work fine),

Varthall

Say what?  I have tested lha vs lzx vs zip a zillion times.
I was forced to do those tests because my game archive on Aminet has 24 gazillion files in it and lzx kept damaging files.

lha works perfectly on giant archives.

If you are having an lha problem then you are probably not using lha but some GUI thingamajig that damages the archive.

What version of lha doesn't work on OS4?
Did u use it from CLI or some GUI thing?

(The OS4 GUI for lha extraction is already known to be broken.  It is an OS4 problem not really an lha problem.)

The GUI lha things in AmikitOS, ClassicWB etc. are all broken also.
Possibly because they all use xadmaster.library or somesuch.

All versions of lzx are bugged.  There is no way around it.  If you use lzx and it "works" you just got lucky.  Eventually your luck will run out.  Friendly warning.

[wawrzon]

@dcr8520:ok, so amiga.sf is your site. should have to know.